1 00:01:04,990 --> 00:00:18,210 [Music] 2 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:05,000 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:09,610 --> 00:01:07,550 here if it's Wednesday evening it must 4 00:01:12,220 --> 00:01:09,620 be UFO news network Sunday of course 5 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:12,230 obviously here we are again with another 6 00:01:15,790 --> 00:01:13,300 show this week 7 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:15,800 unfortunately my usual sidekick chant 8 00:01:21,130 --> 00:01:17,720 Hannah can't make it tonight chant is 9 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:21,140 that a gasp she basically is laying on 10 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:23,180 the road somewhere on the side of the 11 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:25,700 road in Phoenix passed out because 12 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:27,530 basically she just ran out of gas for 13 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:32,080 you the fans going to the Phoenix lights 14 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:35,180 anniversary celebration Sunday and then 15 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:36,710 the show that we did last night a 16 00:01:43,570 --> 00:01:40,900 record-setting three hours and she just 17 00:01:45,969 --> 00:01:43,580 couldn't do it so we're gonna have to 18 00:01:47,710 --> 00:01:45,979 soldier on without her our guest rich 19 00:01:50,109 --> 00:01:47,720 Hoffman knows that feeling you've been a 20 00:01:52,749 --> 00:01:50,119 busy man over the last weekend yourself 21 00:01:55,090 --> 00:01:52,759 with the scientific Coalition for 22 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:55,100 ufology conference in Alabama rich 23 00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:56,930 welcome to the show thanks for coming on 24 00:02:00,070 --> 00:01:58,399 and we're gonna get down to the 25 00:02:02,410 --> 00:02:00,080 post-mortem and you're gonna tell us 26 00:02:04,930 --> 00:02:02,420 everything that happened over this past 27 00:02:07,029 --> 00:02:04,940 weekend thanks for coming on Richard hey 28 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:07,039 I'm glad to be here thanks for having me 29 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:10,910 great great and let me ask you this and 30 00:02:21,370 --> 00:02:13,520 your unbiased opinion on a scale of 1 to 31 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:21,380 10 how did the conference go well maybe 32 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:25,330 you'll think about a 9 there we go there 33 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:30,200 all right unqualified success and why 34 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:31,730 don't you tell the folks a little bit 35 00:02:37,780 --> 00:02:33,440 about the scientific Coalition for 36 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:37,790 ufology you and Robert Powell and Morgan 37 00:02:41,620 --> 00:02:40,310 Bell got this baby going a fairly recent 38 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:41,630 development has only been within the 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:43,640 last couple years I believe so why don't 40 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:45,050 you tell the folks all about how this 41 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:47,080 organization came together 42 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:50,990 well actually I mean all of me uh Robert 43 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:53,510 Powell and Morgan Bell and a number of 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:54,920 others have known each other for many 45 00:02:57,970 --> 00:02:55,610 many years 46 00:03:00,460 --> 00:02:57,980 and we met each other through being 47 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:00,470 connected to MUFON I was the state 48 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:04,160 director for Alabama for a long time and 49 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:06,260 Morgan for example was the state 50 00:03:12,010 --> 00:03:08,750 director of Florida 51 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:12,020 Larry Cates was one of us that 52 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:14,600 Larry was actually a great analyst but 53 00:03:20,340 --> 00:03:16,520 he was on the science review board as 54 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:20,350 was a Carl Paulson who was on that 55 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:22,790 Robert Powell was the director of 56 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:25,910 research and so for us it's the 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:27,230 situation well we've known each other 58 00:03:31,570 --> 00:03:28,850 for quite a while and we would 59 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:31,580 oftentimes compare notes on cases or 60 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:34,540 something of that nature and then the 61 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:36,770 the other thing is that we got to know 62 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:39,590 each other that as being fairly serious 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:42,440 minded individuals and having scientific 64 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:43,970 backgrounds or something of that nature 65 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:46,940 and saying well okay well we'll we'll 66 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:49,280 work together on a lot of this stuff so 67 00:03:54,730 --> 00:03:51,710 anyway the make a long story short what 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:54,740 happened was there was a case that came 69 00:04:01,900 --> 00:03:59,090 to I believe it was Morgan from a Diana 70 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:01,910 Schaub Yano and she had made a contact 71 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:06,410 with a pilot in Miami Florida and the 72 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:08,740 pilot kind of like apparently had a 73 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:12,380 discussion with her about having became 74 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:15,980 become some sort of like he had some 75 00:04:21,940 --> 00:04:19,370 sort of like video and the video was 76 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:21,950 handed to him by a pilot gonna that was 77 00:04:28,660 --> 00:04:25,160 on a mission in Puerto Rica and this was 78 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:28,670 you know the case itself was April 25th 79 00:04:35,410 --> 00:04:33,050 9 2013 and it was like only about a 80 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:35,420 month after that was when she was able 81 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:38,690 to actually see that and the pilot said 82 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:40,850 well we'd like to be able to have this 83 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:44,510 thing looked at scientifically and I 84 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:47,060 guess she pretty much tried to say well 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:49,430 we can take it through MUFON and the 86 00:04:55,150 --> 00:04:52,130 person said absolutely not in fact what 87 00:04:58,270 --> 00:04:55,160 happened was the pilot made everybody on 88 00:05:00,220 --> 00:04:58,280 a team sign non-disclosure agreements so 89 00:05:02,710 --> 00:05:00,230 that we wouldn't or else he wouldn't 90 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:02,720 give it to us and basically saying that 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:05,210 we would not have that kind of a 92 00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:07,610 conversation and we would try to see 93 00:05:11,860 --> 00:05:09,590 what we could do to you know take it 94 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:11,870 through scientific channels and do the 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:15,650 right thing by that and so make a long 96 00:05:20,650 --> 00:05:17,330 story short over period a couple of 97 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:20,660 years then well we started well about a 98 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:22,970 year later or not even a year later 99 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:24,380 actually a 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:27,800 on November of that same year we started 101 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:30,050 to form a team and that team kind of got 102 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:32,900 started to say well you know this is a 103 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:36,500 pretty incredible video and I'm you know 104 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:39,710 if you're seeing it Frank but it's it's 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:44,390 an object that's basically it looks like 106 00:05:48,340 --> 00:05:46,730 it's coming from the water it goes what 107 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:48,350 appears to look like it's going across 108 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:50,720 an airport okay yeah let me let me pull 109 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:52,430 that up now let me run that now and 110 00:05:57,130 --> 00:05:54,170 obviously there's no sound so you can 111 00:06:00,370 --> 00:05:57,140 keep going no that's right and so the 112 00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:00,380 the gist of it is that this object was 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:03,380 seen by a customs Border Protection 114 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:06,650 aircraft it was a dash 8 aircraft that 115 00:06:12,370 --> 00:06:10,340 was taking off on a routine mission and 116 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:12,380 their mission is largely to look for 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:14,300 like things like drug smugglers and that 118 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:17,810 type of thing and this was like 9 119 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:19,730 o'clock in the evening and so the 120 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:21,770 situation there was that they were 121 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:24,110 taking off with our mission and they 122 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:25,850 were cleared to take off and as soon as 123 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:27,980 they get up in the air they happen to 124 00:06:36,970 --> 00:06:32,030 notice that there is a light a kind of a 125 00:06:40,990 --> 00:06:36,980 pinkish red light object that is now 126 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:41,000 coming toward the airport and they were 127 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:42,440 quite concerned and apparently had a 128 00:06:45,580 --> 00:06:44,060 conversation with the control tower 129 00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:45,590 because it's like why did you release us 130 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:47,720 and why didn't you inform us about the 131 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:51,410 air traffic and so they basically did a 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:06:56,290 wide sweeping circle of this object and 133 00:07:03,970 --> 00:07:00,770 went pretty much out along beyond the 134 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:03,980 shore and then made a huge circle and 135 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:06,560 came back at the airport to the airport 136 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:09,290 watching this thing and the control 137 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:11,000 tower indicated that they had seen it as 138 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:14,690 well according to Isis we had and and 139 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:17,420 then something strange happened and the 140 00:07:25,870 --> 00:07:22,010 light went out and at that point they 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:25,880 the pilot in the - 8 then yells back to 142 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:29,690 the to the the radar technician in the 143 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:32,240 back and the thermal-imaging operator it 144 00:07:36,430 --> 00:07:34,490 says alright we'll turn on the thermal 145 00:07:37,910 --> 00:07:36,440 imaging camera and let's see what this 146 00:07:39,770 --> 00:07:37,920 thing is and let's 147 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:39,780 because they were thinking it might be a 148 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:42,240 drug smuggler and apparently drug 149 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:44,430 smugglers might come in and you know low 150 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:46,440 flying and then turn off their their a 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:49,620 light to go do something well anyway but 152 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:51,570 nevertheless they now they've got this 153 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:53,370 thing on thermal-imaging camera and the 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:55,380 the gentleman is now holding its hand 155 00:08:01,940 --> 00:07:57,930 manually and directing it and capturing 156 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:01,950 this object and tracking it and they 157 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:03,690 proceeded to do that for a three minute 158 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:07,650 and 54 seconds as the object then comes 159 00:08:12,590 --> 00:08:10,590 across the airport at one point you can 160 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:12,600 see that there's an aircraft that's on 161 00:08:16,940 --> 00:08:14,550 the runway that was a FedEx plane that 162 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:16,950 was basically held up and delayed for 163 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:19,440 takeoff because of something that the 164 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:23,400 control tower had seen and then the 165 00:08:29,420 --> 00:08:25,950 object kind of like moves around and it 166 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:29,430 eventually appears to come across the 167 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:32,760 runway and we then see it kind of like 168 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:35,580 heading north and goes by there was a 169 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:37,950 supermarket and you see cars along a 170 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:40,680 highway and the at one point it goes 171 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:43,919 behind a telephone pole which then helps 172 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:47,610 us to get a kind of like a size that we 173 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:49,800 can determine and what was the size you 174 00:08:54,140 --> 00:08:52,680 did determine it was generally three to 175 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:54,150 five feet in diameter 176 00:08:59,210 --> 00:08:57,089 obviously you okay and then what it 177 00:09:02,390 --> 00:08:59,220 proceeds to do is to go out appears to 178 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:02,400 go out to the shore line and then it 179 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:06,780 makes a definite turn to the west and 180 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:11,790 the object then seems to go into the 181 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:15,120 water and then at some point you see 182 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:17,910 what appears to be a white spot as the 183 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:20,310 camera operator is seeing that as well 184 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:21,839 because he's moving his camera and 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:24,630 following it so he's seeing that there 186 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:26,490 was that white image in the water and 187 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:30,000 then you see eventually then the object 188 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:32,940 kind of come up out of the water and it 189 00:09:38,510 --> 00:09:34,800 appears to be like if you would skimming 190 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:38,520 the water and then it goes into the 191 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:40,290 water again and then or something to 192 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:42,510 that effect or no it comes back up the 193 00:09:49,730 --> 00:09:45,180 camera jumps back at a longer distance 194 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:49,740 and you next see the object what appears 195 00:09:56,060 --> 00:09:51,030 to be getting really 196 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:56,070 dark and that by the way in thermal 197 00:10:01,190 --> 00:09:58,650 imaging you can either camp the camera 198 00:10:03,260 --> 00:10:01,200 is set for white is dark or black is 199 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:03,270 dark and in this case when you see it's 200 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:06,030 dark it's it's basically thermal heat 201 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:09,000 and it's hotter than the other areas so 202 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:12,090 this thing it's really hot or hotter and 203 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:14,430 then eventually it splits into two 204 00:10:20,660 --> 00:10:19,140 identical objects where then they're not 205 00:10:22,010 --> 00:10:20,670 perfectly identical the thermal 206 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:22,020 signatures are a little bit different 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:23,820 but then the one object then kind of 208 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:26,370 like goes and it appears to disappear 209 00:10:32,450 --> 00:10:29,640 while the other one hangs up and and 210 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:32,460 then it kind of slows down and then 211 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:34,650 eventually goes in the water and then 212 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:37,620 you see then a camera operator you know 213 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:39,510 by this time the aircraft is about nine 214 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:42,360 miles south of the airport and is going 215 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:44,490 on its routine mission because it you 216 00:10:49,370 --> 00:10:47,490 know it had to do its mission which is 217 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:49,380 more important and it didn't expect that 218 00:10:55,070 --> 00:10:52,890 but anyway they the object is now gone 219 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:55,080 and you see at one point you see the 220 00:10:58,940 --> 00:10:57,360 FedEx plane and going down the runway or 221 00:11:03,620 --> 00:10:58,950 getting the taxiway and getting ready to 222 00:11:06,430 --> 00:11:03,630 take off and all that we we did an 223 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:06,440 analysis we broke that three minute 54 224 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:13,220 second video clip into 7027 frames and 225 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:18,060 analyzed the entire three seven thousand 226 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:23,100 plus frames a pixel-by-pixel to look at 227 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:25,140 you know and to get an idea of 228 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:29,190 everything from its shape if we could 229 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:32,640 but you know the way it looks in a 3d 230 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:35,070 plot we used a variety of tools one of 231 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:38,220 them as the image J which allows you to 232 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:41,730 go and to do incredible stuff in fact 233 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:43,830 it's used in medicine extensively 234 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:45,510 looking at cells and various other 235 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:47,550 things but yeah just just to jump in 236 00:11:52,850 --> 00:11:49,530 with some math here you're getting 29 237 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:52,860 frames a second then basically oh yeah 238 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:54,960 it was right around 29 frames a second 239 00:12:00,380 --> 00:11:58,770 so so with that being the case if we 240 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:00,390 were able to actually then start to 241 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:03,270 determine you know more like 242 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:05,250 we calculate speeds and various other 243 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:08,100 things and so you see the object at 244 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:11,340 times especially on the last half of the 245 00:12:17,090 --> 00:12:14,640 the transit realm from the appearance at 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:17,100 the runway if you would to the water 247 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:19,290 when it goes then by some things you 248 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:21,110 actually get some distance information 249 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:24,390 and that you can now look at again and 250 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:29,250 analyze the speed better and so we were 251 00:12:34,010 --> 00:12:31,170 able to determine like for example when 252 00:12:35,810 --> 00:12:34,020 you see it going in the water and we did 253 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:35,820 see splashed by the way there was a 254 00:12:42,490 --> 00:12:38,940 splash of the object that we noted in 255 00:12:46,070 --> 00:12:42,500 the image a and and we also noted that 256 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:46,080 the object was going in at about 110 257 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:48,930 miles an hour and then as soon as soon 258 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:51,450 as it hits the water it then kind of 259 00:12:58,730 --> 00:12:54,360 slows down the speed so about you know 260 00:13:01,970 --> 00:12:58,740 85 or 82 miles per hour and then 261 00:13:05,180 --> 00:13:01,980 gradually over a period of time it keeps 262 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:05,190 up with that 80 some miles an hour and 263 00:13:09,260 --> 00:13:07,740 then eventually gets down to where 264 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:09,270 toward the end there it's only going 265 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:11,400 about 40 miles an hour but the average 266 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:14,090 speed if you would was about that baby 267 00:13:20,270 --> 00:13:16,530 maybe 80 miles an hour for the whole 268 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:20,280 transit okay and when you first saw this 269 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:22,970 video what was your initial reaction 270 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:25,890 well I think like many of us I mean 271 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:27,900 especially when you're you know you you 272 00:13:32,060 --> 00:13:29,310 have to be very skeptical when you're 273 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:32,070 doing any kind of topology where you 274 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:34,260 know you tended to think well this looks 275 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:36,270 like it might be it had a tumbling 276 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:39,000 appearance to it so you immediately go 277 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:41,250 to the thought of being a balloon or 278 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:45,120 something of that nature and then you 279 00:13:48,890 --> 00:13:47,700 know you say oh I think my initial take 280 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:48,900 was that it's going to be something 281 00:13:54,350 --> 00:13:52,380 along the lines of a balloon and then I 282 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:54,360 think there were some other people that 283 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:56,130 thought well maybe it's you know maybe 284 00:14:02,360 --> 00:13:58,290 it's a drone maybe that's what it is 285 00:14:04,190 --> 00:14:02,370 and then so weak I like you know said 286 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:04,200 well let's follow the data if you would 287 00:14:09,170 --> 00:14:06,030 and see where the data leads which is 288 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:09,180 hopefully what you do in science right 289 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:11,310 if you follow the data and let the data 290 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:13,690 determine that so as maybe 291 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:15,520 and peeling back the onion on this thing 292 00:14:20,670 --> 00:14:18,010 and we spent almost a year and a half on 293 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,680 every week going through this and 294 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:22,480 eventually writing our you know our 295 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:25,680 paper our papers like a 162 pages long 296 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:28,330 and we broke it into the physics of the 297 00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:30,310 whole thing and we broke up or how we 298 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:32,380 did what we did we were able to get 299 00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:34,480 radar that showed basically just prior 300 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:37,750 that apparently we got sure but there 301 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:40,270 were there was out in the in that very 302 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:42,100 part of the water where this thing was 303 00:14:47,610 --> 00:14:44,740 allegedly coming from there were about 304 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:47,620 40 hits of a solid target on radar okay 305 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:50,110 and we got how did you get the radar who 306 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:50,920 did you get it from 307 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:54,310 oh we filed FOIA requests and we got it 308 00:15:00,930 --> 00:14:57,760 from the FAA so I mean we got several 309 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:00,940 pieces of data from the the the the 310 00:15:04,290 --> 00:15:02,800 different radar stations there we tried 311 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:04,300 to get the military radar which is 312 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:06,330 actually at the end of the runway and 313 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:09,820 they weren't cooperative supply that of 314 00:15:15,810 --> 00:15:13,210 course but but you know I mean it was an 315 00:15:18,690 --> 00:15:15,820 attempt right but right right but 316 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:18,700 nevertheless what we you know we had one 317 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:22,300 radar was able to give us for example 318 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:24,190 the indication that we were able to get 319 00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:28,110 the transponder code on the particular 320 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:32,320 target and we looked at the transponder 321 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:34,330 code we were able to identify because we 322 00:15:38,430 --> 00:15:35,980 were trying to even confirm is this a 323 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:38,440 fake video is this you know is that a 324 00:15:45,810 --> 00:15:41,350 really a homeland security or aircraft 325 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:45,820 or what you know I mean so anyway we got 326 00:15:48,830 --> 00:15:47,410 the transponder code and we looked it up 327 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:48,840 we found that that it was military 328 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:51,400 frequency and then of course later on 329 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:53,620 you know we're doing our boy yes and 330 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:54,250 things like that 331 00:15:59,579 --> 00:15:57,430 in fact Billy Cox did a FOIA were you 332 00:16:03,540 --> 00:15:59,589 know they basically came and said that 333 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:03,550 it was their video so so we did get that 334 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:05,230 kind of confirmation and everything else 335 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:08,080 but but nevertheless we got we got a 336 00:16:12,450 --> 00:16:10,870 very good return 40 hits of an object 337 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:12,460 that was out there doing incredible 338 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:15,730 maneuvers and quick moves you know 339 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:20,310 between spots around that whole area and 340 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,080 and then they those all go away 341 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:25,120 magically when of course they turn on 342 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:26,240 the camera and now there 343 00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:28,970 recording and coming in so you know then 344 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:31,459 say well are they connected is that 345 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:33,230 really that object that was out there 346 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:35,930 and now this is it or what I don't we 347 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,540 don't know but and just like that we 348 00:16:42,130 --> 00:16:40,399 don't you know what we began to do was 349 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:42,140 to say well we found some interesting 350 00:16:47,079 --> 00:16:45,170 data the data doesn't make sense well 351 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:47,089 how do you explain the split how do you 352 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:51,020 explain just what goes in the air one 353 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:52,790 minute the next minute it goes in the 354 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:55,910 water is it really going in the water we 355 00:17:00,730 --> 00:16:57,760 began working with a whole variety of 356 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:00,740 sets of people I was working with a 357 00:17:06,699 --> 00:17:03,529 professor at UAH University of Alabama 358 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:06,709 Huntsville an optical specialist and we 359 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:08,030 were you know trying to determine 360 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:09,980 exactly you know what this was we 361 00:17:15,579 --> 00:17:13,850 actually got a hold of the the we 362 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:15,589 confirmed originally we thought it was a 363 00:17:21,130 --> 00:17:18,410 flare and it turned out to be a West cam 364 00:17:24,579 --> 00:17:21,140 camera and they confided into us that it 365 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:24,589 was a West cam which is produced by l3 366 00:17:31,150 --> 00:17:28,160 and we were able to then take a look at 367 00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:31,160 you know what the camera data provided 368 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,100 us in terms of its how it operates and 369 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:37,520 we found that that it's in the mid mid 370 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:41,960 wave IR range so we we were able to get 371 00:17:47,890 --> 00:17:44,420 the basically that under state was not 372 00:17:49,810 --> 00:17:47,900 near infrared it was mid wave and so 373 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:49,820 that gave us a lot more information than 374 00:17:53,049 --> 00:17:51,050 we were able to look at other things 375 00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:53,059 like that that we're in the mid wave to 376 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:55,429 get an understanding of thermal which is 377 00:18:00,730 --> 00:17:58,010 very unique by the way frame you know 378 00:18:03,970 --> 00:18:00,740 and so we don't often get thermal and uh 379 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:03,980 and so you have to start to understand 380 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:06,050 that you know that's not visible you're 381 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:07,940 not looking at something visible you're 382 00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:10,640 looking at at basically the the heat 383 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:13,340 that's being coming to that we also 384 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:15,320 determine the temperature of that by the 385 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:18,440 way it was interesting how we figured 386 00:18:23,650 --> 00:18:20,360 out how the temperature on this object 387 00:18:25,419 --> 00:18:23,660 was and that it had almost do it from 388 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:25,429 the standpoint of looking at what are 389 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:27,530 the objects temperature in the video 390 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:29,630 well are you talking about like a 391 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,850 Fahrenheit temperature or more of a 392 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:33,440 college temperature in terms of 393 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:35,870 photography it we it's it's in the 394 00:18:42,159 --> 00:18:39,590 context of the temperature of the heat 395 00:18:44,919 --> 00:18:42,169 Fahrenheit okay okay so we were looking 396 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:44,929 at okay you know you have to you have to 397 00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,179 look at the color values so we took the 398 00:18:54,190 --> 00:18:50,480 pixels and we basically put them in a 399 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:54,200 range it goes from zero to 255 all the 400 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:56,090 way from white I mean if you would white 401 00:19:02,649 --> 00:18:59,360 up to a black if you would and uh so 402 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:02,659 here 55 is above boiling well I'm not 403 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:04,070 talking about temperature I'm talking 404 00:19:09,399 --> 00:19:05,870 about we we broke theirs 405 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:09,409 we broke the pixel colors okay okay okay 406 00:19:14,649 --> 00:19:11,929 okay the shades of gray if you 407 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:14,659 understood I just said okay okay yeah 408 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:18,080 that's okay sorry no that's no problem I 409 00:19:22,029 --> 00:19:19,850 mean it's it's a little bit challenging 410 00:19:23,169 --> 00:19:22,039 to try to complain you know give this 411 00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:23,179 whole thing to you but the bottom line 412 00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:25,940 was that we broke it into 255 shades of 413 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:29,120 if you would gray okay do it with 255 414 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:30,890 being white and zero being total black 415 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:32,330 yeah exactly 416 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:35,210 okay and so then what you do is you take 417 00:19:39,789 --> 00:19:37,010 a look at objects erect in the video 418 00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:39,799 well you know at one point this objects 419 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:43,700 going black Al's and another point I 420 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:46,130 mean you can see it going by an asphalt 421 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:49,070 road okay well guess what you're able to 422 00:19:53,529 --> 00:19:51,110 actually find studies on the internet 423 00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:53,539 that gives you that temperature for a 424 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:55,460 cow okay 425 00:20:00,580 --> 00:19:58,130 okay okay so you can take a look at the 426 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:00,590 color value for the cow if you would and 427 00:20:06,370 --> 00:20:03,950 match that with the object right got it 428 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:06,380 so that's kind of like what you see and 429 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:09,049 so basically a cow you know I think the 430 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:10,970 odd it basically ended up to being 431 00:20:16,180 --> 00:20:12,679 something like along the scale of a 432 00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:16,190 little over 100 mm hundred degrees maybe 433 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:17,870 a hundred four degrees or something of 434 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:20,809 that nature okay and and so that's 435 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:22,820 pretty much what we saw at the darkness 436 00:20:28,539 --> 00:20:25,340 that it was and the other point you'll 437 00:20:32,769 --> 00:20:28,549 see is when the that we've noted is that 438 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:32,779 the center of the object was dark and 439 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:35,270 then as you got around the perimeter it 440 00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:39,320 was a lighter color so and then the 441 00:20:43,299 --> 00:20:40,820 other the other thing you got to think 442 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:43,309 about is what produces that tumbling 443 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:47,360 effect is it the heat is it it's 444 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:50,090 certainly not the balloon per se if it 445 00:20:53,290 --> 00:20:52,010 was a balloon this is where you start to 446 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:53,300 peel back the onion 447 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:55,330 say well wait a minute this is a balloon 448 00:20:59,740 --> 00:20:57,860 right right right and this again this 449 00:21:01,420 --> 00:20:59,750 happened that night so it's not going to 450 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:01,430 be like a super hot day warming things 451 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:04,970 up right exactly and so yeah and you 452 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:07,400 have a full moon out there this happened 453 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:08,690 to be on a night when it was a full moon 454 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:12,710 so the moon comes and does play in on 455 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:15,770 thermal imaging and you have to factor 456 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:17,210 that in and there's a whole bunch of 457 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:19,130 other things that impact it as well so 458 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:21,830 you got to take a lot of consideration 459 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:24,470 and when you do this stuff and I mean 460 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,510 bottom line is that we started to go 461 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:28,000 through and say well can we identify 462 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:32,410 drums can we identify is this a balloon 463 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:34,490 and you start to go through those 464 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:37,880 various hypotheses to consider yeah what 465 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:39,890 would it count for it and you you come 466 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:43,240 out scratching your head if you would 467 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:46,190 someone actually you know later on down 468 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:48,350 the pike alluded dude there was some 469 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:50,330 sort of a project tomahawk that was 470 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:52,310 going in which this thing has no 471 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:54,410 resemblance to the thermal signature of 472 00:22:00,970 --> 00:21:57,770 a tomahawk and then you know I mean 473 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:00,980 there are strict rules that the military 474 00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:04,460 has and I've read those rules you know 475 00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:06,200 about what you have to do in order to 476 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:09,500 fly into any territory and and certainly 477 00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:11,210 notifying the control tower you're going 478 00:22:15,910 --> 00:22:13,550 to come in is Peri well sure sure 479 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:15,920 you know flight safety is an important 480 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:20,330 issue and nothing and so I mean you know 481 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:22,730 that became rather ludicrous and then 482 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:24,770 again you don't if you look at the 483 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:27,410 thermal signature on this object in our 484 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:29,990 study that we had you'd say well wait a 485 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:31,790 minute I don't know anything at all that 486 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:33,950 looks like this and thermal can be 487 00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:36,110 pretty doggone clear at night that's why 488 00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:36,860 you've got it 489 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:39,020 this thing can I mean the camera itself 490 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:40,580 could measure almost like one one 491 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:44,330 hundredth of a degree okay okay and it's 492 00:22:50,890 --> 00:22:47,860 it's capable of seeing very very far and 493 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:50,900 so and then the other thing is that the 494 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:53,630 actual - AIT's got on the bottom of it 495 00:22:58,450 --> 00:22:56,510 it does have radar but it's way in the 496 00:23:00,550 --> 00:22:58,460 back and it's not positioned to look at 497 00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:00,560 objects in front it's it's meant to look 498 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:03,860 at things are in the water okay okay 499 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:06,650 so we that one wasn't available 500 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:10,850 to be able to look that either God but 501 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:13,430 but anyway again that's how this team 502 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:15,320 came about and this is what we did it 503 00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,240 took over like a year and a half for us 504 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:19,760 to do that and then we after we were 505 00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:22,130 done we were like saying well you know I 506 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:24,620 think you know a lot of people we 507 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,170 published it and of course then MUFON 508 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:28,640 got a little bit upset with us it you 509 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:31,370 can pretty well imagine that we didn't 510 00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:32,900 let them know but we were signed to 511 00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:36,260 these NDA's and and then things got a 512 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:37,790 little bit squirrelly after that the 513 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:40,730 next thing we became the enemy okay and 514 00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:42,830 so we just decided we're gonna go off on 515 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:46,190 our own and and basically pursue this on 516 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:48,890 our own as a group of scientists and so 517 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:51,350 now we've you know created this 518 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:53,690 organization and it's basically got now 519 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:55,670 something on the scale of about 42 520 00:24:00,430 --> 00:23:58,280 people 12 PhDs 521 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:00,440 a lot of very highly degreed and highly 522 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:04,250 skilled people very most I'm are free of 523 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:05,960 being pretty awesome when it comes down 524 00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:08,330 to it right there that are all helping 525 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:10,220 us engage in different projects and 526 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:12,530 doing things like we just did the Nimitz 527 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:14,870 for you and everything else and we're 528 00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:16,730 about to publish that that's a two 529 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:19,070 hundred and sixty page paper 530 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:21,260 Robert Robert pals had a beat on that 531 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:23,809 case for long before the New York Times 532 00:24:28,930 --> 00:24:26,600 and the to the Stars Academy came back 533 00:24:29,710 --> 00:24:28,940 came calling so he's been on this for 534 00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:29,720 quite a while 535 00:24:35,290 --> 00:24:33,230 he sure has and uh and so then naturally 536 00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:35,300 we all got hooked and then we created a 537 00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,340 team to pretty much kind of replicate 538 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:39,200 what we did with the idea type thing 539 00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:41,750 where we you know spend time looking at 540 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,360 the case we did extensive interviews 541 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:47,840 with a lot of the crew members we did 542 00:24:53,049 --> 00:24:50,780 what we could with then the like an 543 00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:53,059 analysis of the from the radar 544 00:24:59,410 --> 00:24:56,660 information now we don't have radar but 545 00:25:01,840 --> 00:24:59,420 you know we've got the radar operators 546 00:25:04,660 --> 00:25:01,850 indicating you know that this thing was 547 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:04,670 dropping from ceilings like 80,000 feet 548 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:07,490 down to you know near sea level and 549 00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:09,830 stopping you know and right right we and 550 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:12,800 so what we did it for example was to say 551 00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:15,260 well let's compute the acceleration and 552 00:25:18,790 --> 00:25:17,990 the velocity and see what would happen 553 00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:18,800 if you 554 00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:21,860 to compute that and started getting some 555 00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:24,620 incredible data from that which we 556 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:27,380 talked a little bit about the g-forces 557 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:28,550 would kill a human being 558 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:35,630 oh absolutely we'd be able puddle and 559 00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:37,190 then the other part of that is you've 560 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:38,750 got an object that's coming down through 561 00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:41,150 the atmosphere well you can imagine you 562 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,920 know the heating I mean we have to put 563 00:25:47,290 --> 00:25:44,960 like our aircraft you know it's got to 564 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:47,300 have all that you know shield and get 565 00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,530 everything else to be able to withstand 566 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,960 the temperatures that you would be going 567 00:25:55,870 --> 00:25:53,360 through and you don't see that on the 568 00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:55,880 object nothing apparent there then you 569 00:25:59,770 --> 00:25:58,160 also have situations like you know the 570 00:26:03,010 --> 00:25:59,780 kinetic energy release would have been 571 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:03,020 huge so again you know it's like one of 572 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:04,850 those things where it's like well what 573 00:26:09,550 --> 00:26:06,950 kind of an object can do that you know 574 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,560 and we were pretty much just validating 575 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:11,360 some of the things we had heard and 576 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:13,970 doing a lot of checking with that we got 577 00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:16,370 a lot of great information from you know 578 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:19,060 talking directly with commander slate 579 00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,310 you know and what he saw and the other 580 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:26,000 aircraft with Graber and you know and so 581 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:29,210 we just put all that stuff together in a 582 00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:31,790 report that basically summarized what we 583 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:35,150 bought what we found and and it's it was 584 00:26:40,690 --> 00:26:37,730 we presented a good part of that here at 585 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:40,700 the conference and you had a really good 586 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:43,010 line up but a couple names I don't 587 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:44,750 really recognize a couple I do of course 588 00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:48,310 but one that really stands out I think 589 00:26:53,260 --> 00:26:51,140 when I hear somebody put forth an idea 590 00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:53,270 and I think I wish I had thought of that 591 00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:55,340 then I think that's probably a pretty 592 00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:57,800 good idea that was a Philippe Alerus 593 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:00,530 from the European Space Agency when he 594 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:04,060 was proposing is sort of a reverse 595 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:06,110 exoplanet search I guess that might be 596 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:07,940 one way of looking at it where he's 597 00:27:14,410 --> 00:27:12,200 looking at using some ESA satellites or 598 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,420 group of satellites that are part of the 599 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:17,360 Copernicus program and he's looking to 600 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:21,470 gather data from them to see if any UFOs 601 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,620 can be spotted from that data I thought 602 00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:26,960 that was a pretty interesting idea I 603 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,670 don't know if it's gonna if it's gonna 604 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,080 happen I see the little disclaimer 605 00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,360 beneath his 606 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:34,720 a little a little intro there that he 607 00:27:39,989 --> 00:27:37,809 speaks for himself and not the ESA but I 608 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:39,999 like the idea can you tell us a little 609 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:43,330 bit about what he had to say and yeah I 610 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:46,690 got a feeling you like the idea too oh I 611 00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:49,210 actually love the idea I mean I know 612 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:51,669 that a lot of us in the room love it you 613 00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:54,100 know one thing I share with you in my 614 00:27:59,100 --> 00:27:56,889 opening like monologue if you would I 615 00:28:02,009 --> 00:27:59,110 talked about the fact that you know back 616 00:28:04,859 --> 00:28:02,019 fifty five years ago when I got into 617 00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:04,869 this thing you know I mean I I didn't 618 00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:06,999 have access to a lot of I didn't have a 619 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:09,220 cell phone I didn't have you know I 620 00:28:12,869 --> 00:28:10,809 didn't have even have a computer I mean 621 00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:12,879 and you barely even had something that 622 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:14,440 was like a tape recorder you were going 623 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,830 I'm trying to do notes and stuff so you 624 00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:20,080 know we didn't have that so you know for 625 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:21,700 me and I and I've been in one of those 626 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:23,320 investigators that I've investigated 627 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:24,609 thought you know a lot of over a 628 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:26,350 thousand case probably might have but I 629 00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:27,970 mean literally was out there in the 630 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:30,009 field talking with witnesses getting 631 00:28:33,149 --> 00:28:31,690 data I was at even while they were 632 00:28:35,729 --> 00:28:33,159 witnessing him I was trying to get out 633 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:35,739 there or pretty close to it would often 634 00:28:39,149 --> 00:28:37,450 miss it but but I'm right there at the 635 00:28:41,159 --> 00:28:39,159 scene and I'm talking to 30 witnesses 636 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:41,169 and saying going into your room and 637 00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:42,940 don't talk to each other and draw what 638 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:45,220 is drove and doing that whole thing 639 00:28:50,489 --> 00:28:48,850 right right and so you know you know I 640 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:50,499 didn't have any tools I didn't have any 641 00:28:56,729 --> 00:28:54,369 things like that well you know today and 642 00:28:58,259 --> 00:28:56,739 this is where I was talking to my role 643 00:29:01,919 --> 00:28:58,269 and deputy director of Investigations 644 00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:01,929 and also with move on as well and then I 645 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:04,389 got into this director of strategic 646 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:06,129 projects which was all about using 647 00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:08,049 technology it's about the fact that 648 00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:09,940 we've got so much stuff out there that 649 00:29:15,149 --> 00:29:12,070 why aren't we leveraging that so I come 650 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:15,159 in on the fact that you know if I go in 651 00:29:19,979 --> 00:29:17,289 my military job if you would over there 652 00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:19,989 and I'm a defense contractor at the 653 00:29:24,779 --> 00:29:22,179 Redstone Arsenal and I work for Army 654 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:24,789 Materiel Command so you know I can see 655 00:29:28,619 --> 00:29:26,950 that we're using tools that like it 656 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:28,629 would be great if we had the money and 657 00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,070 we could do wherewithal to be able to 658 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,559 use out there in the fields to do the 659 00:29:36,629 --> 00:29:34,960 investigations well the whole point of 660 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:36,639 this conference was about somehow 661 00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:38,200 getting a group of these people that 662 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:40,389 were on the base talking to some 663 00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:42,609 ufologist and being able to come up with 664 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:44,620 ideas so that was my initial 665 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:48,460 goal with this right and so it was about 666 00:29:52,769 --> 00:29:50,529 hitting scientists together and having 667 00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:52,779 these kind of conversations well along 668 00:29:58,019 --> 00:29:55,000 comes and by the way I work with 669 00:30:01,980 --> 00:29:58,029 Philippe on the Center for UFO studies 670 00:30:03,779 --> 00:30:01,990 UFO data project and so we're trying to 671 00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:03,789 be able to get technology there so 672 00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:07,270 anyway I Philippe mentioned this wanting 673 00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:08,980 to come over to talk to us about using 674 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:11,350 satellite data and we may have this tool 675 00:30:19,169 --> 00:30:15,610 that we can use and so he showed for 676 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:19,179 example video clips of you know of you 677 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:21,850 know objects like aircraft taking off on 678 00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:23,770 the runway and that type of thing where 679 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:25,990 you can actually see that and you can 680 00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,049 get a whole immense amount of data and 681 00:30:33,539 --> 00:30:31,620 the fact that these are going to be 682 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:33,549 satellites that are doing an earth 683 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:35,860 observation and recording a lot of stuff 684 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:39,240 and and I'm gonna be very much available 685 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:42,730 for you to take a look at as things as 686 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,740 these objects are these satellites and 687 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:46,000 they're gonna be on it they're not gonna 688 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,500 be on a geosynchronous they're gonna be 689 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:49,840 actually orbiting so they're gonna be 690 00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,360 orbiting the planet so there's kind of a 691 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:54,640 problem there in the sense that a lot of 692 00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:56,049 people were saying well what happens if 693 00:30:59,850 --> 00:30:57,580 I'm gonna go back and see that there was 694 00:31:03,330 --> 00:30:59,860 a UFO on sets in such a date at this 695 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,340 location well the the satellite might 696 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:04,720 not have been there because it's going 697 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:06,730 to be going around right right right you 698 00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,480 know so that may be a problem but the 699 00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:12,399 other part of this is that and you know 700 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:13,960 what I'm talking about you know how many 701 00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,700 people are about how many else how many 702 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:17,200 times do you see this on the internet 703 00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,820 where somebody's out there looking at 704 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:20,080 Google Earth and they come up with 705 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:21,730 something right right oh yeah yeah 706 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:23,740 there's a lot of stuff it could be all 707 00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:25,960 sorts of things to breathe ice lotty 708 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:28,870 exams well we might have you know you 709 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:30,370 know a lot of us that can actually help 710 00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:32,260 filter that and look at that stuff and 711 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:35,380 maybe identify that had that connect to 712 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:37,510 a UFO case and that that not be where 713 00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:40,390 it's available to us but it's just 714 00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:42,309 another way for us and then there's cube 715 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:44,020 satellites and various other kinds of 716 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,789 things that people want to put up to so 717 00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:46,720 okay 718 00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:50,740 and another gentleman who was appeared 719 00:31:55,889 --> 00:31:53,409 at your conference was a someone who I 720 00:31:57,779 --> 00:31:55,899 had on the show and I got that got the 721 00:32:00,960 --> 00:31:57,789 chance to talk to him was a professor 722 00:32:02,729 --> 00:32:00,970 Kevin Knuth and no he's got some very 723 00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:02,739 interesting ideas about how it might be 724 00:32:09,299 --> 00:32:07,059 possible for an ET civilization of a 725 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:09,309 nomadic civilization to come here but 726 00:32:13,019 --> 00:32:11,049 looking at his background doing some 727 00:32:15,239 --> 00:32:13,029 background research on him I noticed 728 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:15,249 that he has also put together a piece of 729 00:32:20,099 --> 00:32:17,769 software that analyzes this massive 730 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:20,109 amounts of data that comes in from 731 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:22,600 various telescopes and space telescopes 732 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:24,850 that can sort of pour through that and 733 00:32:29,249 --> 00:32:26,769 look for certain signatures known 734 00:32:31,529 --> 00:32:29,259 signatures of exoplanets I'm wondering 735 00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,539 if it's possible that he might be able 736 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:33,519 to develop the same type of software to 737 00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,940 look for UFOs in the data that these 738 00:32:42,029 --> 00:32:39,039 European satellites will be able to 739 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:42,039 download well let's put it this way he 740 00:32:46,979 --> 00:32:44,139 was extremely interested in Alerus his 741 00:32:50,249 --> 00:32:46,989 presentation and and the other part of 742 00:32:53,729 --> 00:32:50,259 this is that you know I love Kevin canoe 743 00:32:55,649 --> 00:32:53,739 I mean he was a what I see so often or 744 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:55,659 some of these people they're just now 745 00:33:00,509 --> 00:32:58,210 getting an interest in UFOs Frank and so 746 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:00,519 you know their eyes or their eyes are 747 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:01,929 opening up a little bit and they're 748 00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:04,090 saying like wow you know and you know 749 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:06,729 and he's had a lot of thoughts in he 750 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:09,190 said well you know I I haven't really 751 00:33:13,019 --> 00:33:10,749 put this down anywhere on this 752 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:13,029 relativistic interstellar travel kind of 753 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:15,369 concept that I've got so he did that and 754 00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:17,830 and it was fascinating as hell in fact 755 00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,590 everybody was like really excited about 756 00:33:25,259 --> 00:33:23,200 his presentation and he was the last 757 00:33:26,669 --> 00:33:25,269 presenter so it's like wow you know he's 758 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:26,679 like that if you can keep everybody's 759 00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:27,970 interest through this whole thing it's 760 00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:31,359 like wow and so it was fascinating and I 761 00:33:38,009 --> 00:33:33,789 you know to hear what he had to say and 762 00:33:41,369 --> 00:33:38,019 so I'm I'm hoping that he will share all 763 00:33:43,019 --> 00:33:41,379 that stuff and I think he will I look 764 00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:43,029 forward to working with him in the 765 00:33:47,999 --> 00:33:45,639 future and you know it was just an 766 00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:48,009 amazing conference too because what you 767 00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,549 had the the night before was Robert 768 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:53,679 Palin Peter reality we're sharing the 769 00:34:00,239 --> 00:33:56,950 the Nimitz information and then he came 770 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:00,249 along on the next day and is now then 771 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:02,529 talking about that come like the 772 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:04,450 propulsion and and we talked about 773 00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:06,849 propulsion systems and how problematic 774 00:34:11,129 --> 00:34:09,159 that is for us in the context of what we 775 00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:11,139 have now and you know 776 00:34:16,769 --> 00:34:13,539 then then we have the significant 777 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,779 hurdles with you know exactly time 778 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:19,359 dilation and oh yeah oh yeah problem and 779 00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:22,210 then you also have the you know the 780 00:34:25,859 --> 00:34:24,279 shielding everybody wants to think that 781 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:25,869 we're gonna run out and go build this up 782 00:34:31,619 --> 00:34:29,529 these Cuvier drives and put these things 783 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:31,629 that are gonna somehow warp space and if 784 00:34:37,169 --> 00:34:34,149 you would and and and then you know 785 00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:37,179 that's great but often people have 786 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:38,470 difficulty understanding you're going to 787 00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,730 put a human in something 788 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:41,679 hi guys shield that whatever that's 789 00:34:47,759 --> 00:34:44,200 generating that energy right right right 790 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:47,769 exactly exactly and so you know there's 791 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:50,260 I mean this is all theoretical stuff 792 00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:52,210 it's like not even gonna be in it and in 793 00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,990 any near time future at all Oh real 794 00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:57,880 quick if I can jump in that going back 795 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:02,170 to the time dilation and that is relates 796 00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:05,410 to the faster you travel a relative to 797 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:07,779 the speed of light time slows down for 798 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:10,390 you but for everybody else you know I 799 00:35:14,549 --> 00:35:12,609 say back on the home planet it remains 800 00:35:17,819 --> 00:35:14,559 the same so if you're traveling around 801 00:35:20,609 --> 00:35:17,829 the galaxy yeah you know it close to the 802 00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:20,619 speed of light even you know the idea of 803 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:22,750 getting to some far-off planet there 804 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:24,549 gathering some research and getting back 805 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:26,410 home well you might be able to do it in 806 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:27,940 your lifetime but by the time you got 807 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:30,369 back home everybody will be dead your 808 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,990 civilization might not even exist 809 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,240 anymore well that's the canudas idea 810 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:35,920 sort of works around that in a very 811 00:35:40,829 --> 00:35:38,890 interesting way yeah exactly and then 812 00:35:42,749 --> 00:35:40,839 you know that he even brings up another 813 00:35:45,329 --> 00:35:42,759 interesting concept you know that we 814 00:35:48,269 --> 00:35:45,339 would ultimately become nomadic you know 815 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:48,279 in large groups of people or aliens 816 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:50,380 would be you know if you wit or us or 817 00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,420 whatever what is our gonna you know go 818 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:54,400 out and as nomads and we would then go 819 00:36:00,299 --> 00:35:57,400 out together and then populate a planet 820 00:36:02,339 --> 00:36:00,309 or something of that nature and then we 821 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,349 would probably take off and split off 822 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:05,440 into multiple directions there and you 823 00:36:09,539 --> 00:36:07,750 know again go to the next planet or the 824 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:09,549 next star or whatever you want to say 825 00:36:14,999 --> 00:36:13,180 and then an over a period of time you've 826 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:15,009 got these nomads that are going off in 827 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:17,319 different directions now the interesting 828 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,990 thing about it was he said you know that 829 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,480 you've also got the situation of let's 830 00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:23,680 say you wanted to come back to the home 831 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:24,520 planet and 832 00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,530 it's no longer there all right right 833 00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:28,960 right exactly Dean is no good we figured 834 00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,760 out a way to beat time dilation sorry 835 00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:32,800 you know yeah then you have then you 836 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:35,470 have to factor into you know as you very 837 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:39,220 well know we're going through space are 838 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:42,130 our sons not staying in one spot it's 839 00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:44,350 actually going around the Galactic plane 840 00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:47,020 sure yeah I think I think about that a 841 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:49,240 little bit in terms of time travel a lot 842 00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:50,650 of folks seem to think well the time 843 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:53,350 travel solutions a lot simpler well you 844 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:54,820 know if you want to travel through time 845 00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:56,530 you got to travel through space because 846 00:36:59,580 --> 00:36:57,790 I don't think anybody's gonna be able to 847 00:37:01,500 --> 00:36:59,590 figure out how to get the Internet 848 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:01,510 excuse me the universe to hold still for 849 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,970 you you know yeah precisely and he's 850 00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:06,400 saying like will you come back and when 851 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:07,630 I have a meet up well that's a little 852 00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:09,910 bit problematic and then there's yeah 853 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:11,590 and then there's the problem of 854 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:13,450 communication with each other since you 855 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:15,550 know communication you know you have to 856 00:37:19,050 --> 00:37:17,080 have that worked out so how do you 857 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:19,060 communicate because let's say for 858 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,910 example if you're at a distant location 859 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:23,920 like right now how long does it take for 860 00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:26,230 you to get a single back to earth you 861 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,270 know I mean you speed of light is it not 862 00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:29,680 I believe it's the speed of light yeah 863 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,440 so I mean if depends upon what kind you 864 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:33,760 know if you're using a radio or if 865 00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:35,050 you're using something a little bit 866 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:37,180 better than that but but I guess but I 867 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:38,470 guess what I'm trying to get at you know 868 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:39,910 it's even the speed of light you know 869 00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:41,710 we're nuts if you get out there in a 870 00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:43,390 distant area you're talking about it 871 00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:45,460 takes light years for us to see some of 872 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:48,460 these things the stars or the light from 873 00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:51,160 some of the stars right now and so time 874 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:55,000 is a very big thing how you meet up 875 00:37:59,550 --> 00:37:57,400 would be problematic and then you know 876 00:38:01,890 --> 00:37:59,560 it doesn't take you know much to if you 877 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,900 if you're going into reading you know 878 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:04,480 what Mark or Scott Kelly put together in 879 00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:08,050 his book called endurance the impacts of 880 00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:10,180 him right now being out in space or 881 00:38:17,849 --> 00:38:15,100 Fergie dog gone bad it's affected him 882 00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,859 physically genetically in a whole 883 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:19,780 variety of other ways yeah he was at 884 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,540 four on the station what a year maybe 885 00:38:28,859 --> 00:38:24,640 total we had one shot or something along 886 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:28,869 those lines yes precisely and when you 887 00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:31,420 read his book and what I mean he's 888 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:33,640 written and he'll hear about him they 889 00:38:36,839 --> 00:38:35,230 were doing the twin study where his 890 00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:36,849 brother stayed down and 891 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:38,829 you know basically they compared that 892 00:38:45,329 --> 00:38:42,640 but but he's had a lot of of impacts 893 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:45,339 health-wise to being out in space yeah 894 00:38:49,289 --> 00:38:47,589 and on top of that I understand if 895 00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:49,299 they're up there in the space station 896 00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:51,160 for any extensive period of time they 897 00:38:57,059 --> 00:38:53,470 literally have to exercise like fanatics 898 00:39:01,049 --> 00:38:57,069 just they're still losing still losing 899 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:01,059 you know the physicality even if they do 900 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,190 that but they still have to exercise 901 00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:05,170 like fanatics or else they pretty much 902 00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:06,700 know they're up I suppose after a period 903 00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:09,430 of time yeah one of the things that also 904 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:11,319 dr. Knuth mentioned you know and we 905 00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:12,460 don't even think about but if you're 906 00:39:16,969 --> 00:39:14,589 moving at these like those incredible 907 00:39:19,499 --> 00:39:16,979 speeds 908 00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:19,509 cosmic rays would come at you and 909 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,749 basically kill you you're being hit by 910 00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:24,880 those things at that kind of speed it's 911 00:39:28,109 --> 00:39:26,529 like you know you have something worried 912 00:39:29,759 --> 00:39:28,119 you know you're going along on a fast 913 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,769 car and somebody throws something out at 914 00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:30,400 your window 915 00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,619 I mean you have that kind of same kind 916 00:39:37,319 --> 00:39:35,680 of bullet experience from cosmic 917 00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:37,329 radiation and various other things you 918 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:39,670 have to deal with and uh I don't know 919 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:42,249 like I said it's gonna take a long time 920 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:44,440 before we get out there but well but 921 00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,089 despite all that that despite all the 922 00:39:50,279 --> 00:39:48,420 problems where we know full well and 923 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,289 probably some others we haven't even 924 00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,200 considered there's a lot of confidence 925 00:39:58,589 --> 00:39:55,839 there that at least maybe yes some of 926 00:39:59,989 --> 00:39:58,599 these UFOs are in fact et and that's 927 00:40:02,430 --> 00:39:59,999 some kind of extraterrestrial 928 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:02,440 intelligence that has figured out how to 929 00:40:08,249 --> 00:40:05,529 beat the system basically yeah we're 930 00:40:10,349 --> 00:40:08,259 we're you have to like and I think 931 00:40:11,969 --> 00:40:10,359 that's what dr. Knuth was also saying 932 00:40:14,609 --> 00:40:11,979 it's like you know you have to consider 933 00:40:16,859 --> 00:40:14,619 all hypotheses and when you get into 934 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:16,869 something like this to explain objects 935 00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:19,630 out there that are being seen and and 936 00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:21,999 even like the tic-tacs if you would you 937 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:24,519 know I mean you have to consider that as 938 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,210 a plausible hypothesis right yeah okay 939 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:30,160 you can't you certainly can't ignore it 940 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:33,460 yeah and I think some of them are I 941 00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,410 can't point to any one particular case 942 00:40:40,859 --> 00:40:37,839 and say that one for sure 943 00:40:41,969 --> 00:40:40,869 I don't know but boy there's there's 944 00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,979 enough of them out there and you 945 00:40:44,489 --> 00:40:43,119 probably know better than me having 946 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:44,499 looked at all the cases that you said 947 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:49,330 you looked at what a thousand and well 948 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,310 there are something to these cases you 949 00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:52,720 know all these people aren't lying and 950 00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:54,550 obviously there's physical evidence to 951 00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,740 back up enough of them yeah the other 952 00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:58,240 thing I want to share with you is that 953 00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:00,460 while I was in Milan I actually reviewed 954 00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:05,380 70,000 cases so I did look at what they 955 00:41:10,110 --> 00:41:07,660 have in there and we were looking for 956 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:10,120 even there the best cases that we can 957 00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:12,190 find to be able to go out spend more 958 00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:14,980 scientific time if you would so it you 959 00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:16,840 know again it's like one of those things 960 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:18,280 we're all like looking to be able to 961 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:21,160 find an answer if you would and if there 962 00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:23,470 if these things are real if they're if 963 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:25,840 they're not real if they're you know for 964 00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:27,820 all intents and purposes you know the 965 00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:31,180 Nimitz and let me go back to the Nimitz 966 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:33,070 case that object that's moving is it 967 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:35,110 really in our time and in our space I 968 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:37,530 mean we don't know I mean does it have 969 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:41,110 some sort of gravitational dampers is it 970 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:44,620 does it have that it's not impacted by 971 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:47,710 that inertia does it have a life for a 972 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,080 minute we don't know is it are all these 973 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:52,960 things like drones are they are they 974 00:42:00,540 --> 00:41:56,350 merely surveillance vehicles from much 975 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,550 like we were sending robots to Mars why 976 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:02,800 wouldn't they do something similar like 977 00:42:07,530 --> 00:42:04,660 you know instead of sending people just 978 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:07,540 send surveillance practical out to the 979 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:10,090 different stars and observe planets and 980 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:12,130 figure out what the heck's out there 981 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:13,840 right yep absolutely 982 00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:15,310 now you mentioned the Nimitz case now 983 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:18,040 and also you mentioned Robert Powell and 984 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:20,110 your own involvement with MUFON for some 985 00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:22,330 time one of my favorite cases and I 986 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:24,580 think you know criticized MUFON all you 987 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:26,290 want well some of you guys were involved 988 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:28,210 there I believe it I know Robert Powell 989 00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:30,010 was I don't know if you were or not but 990 00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:32,200 that Stephenville case I thought that 991 00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:34,540 that some great work was done on that do 992 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:35,950 you know much about that case and can 993 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:37,270 you talk about that one a little bit 994 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:40,450 well I don't know a whole lot about it I 995 00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:41,830 know that that was one of the cases that 996 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,470 Roberts spent a lot of time on and he 997 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:47,920 did get again like going for radar data 998 00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:50,230 and got a lot of he talked with a lot of 999 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:53,950 different parts of the military bases 1000 00:42:59,610 --> 00:42:56,710 and various other things and so it 1001 00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:59,620 looked like you know it was indefinitely 1002 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:01,390 and clearly an encounter was something 1003 00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:01,890 that was 1004 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:05,910 odd and that report that report he got 1005 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,310 radar data and according to him and I 1006 00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:11,760 believe was a mr. Schultz Glenn Schultz 1007 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:13,590 if I remember the name correctly in that 1008 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:16,500 report five hundred feet in diameter and 1009 00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:18,780 two thousand miles an hour is my memory 1010 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:21,030 getting a little foggy in my old age is 1011 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:23,780 that about right no that's not right and 1012 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:25,830 want to bring something up because you 1013 00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:29,760 mentioned that as well the doctor Knut 1014 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:33,150 had gone through and also compared some 1015 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:34,530 of the other cases where there's 1016 00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:35,850 actually radar data and there was 1017 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:39,240 confirmation on terms of speed and and I 1018 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:40,530 thought that was it was rather 1019 00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,150 interesting and give me a second here 1020 00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,460 only give you this because you know 1021 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:46,740 basically he took a look at some of the 1022 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:49,290 cases like you know the in the case of 1023 00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,390 the Princeton what do we plot the speed 1024 00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:55,200 add with a balloon case the Jael case 1025 00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:58,650 you know I know the in case to that 1026 00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,670 wouldn't dad that's the one that goes 1027 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:01,260 back a little ways that's early fifties 1028 00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:03,510 right reserves okay 1029 00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:06,030 and so what you start to get there were 1030 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:07,620 like you know you know that was 1031 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:11,850 basically 2150 geez the Bethune case you 1032 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:15,480 got 1400 G's with the Princeton case you 1033 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:18,930 got 365 G's with the j al aircraft 1034 00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,290 they've that hunter a hundred G's being 1035 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,660 measured with freighter was braver and 1036 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,940 you start to like put that into some 1037 00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:29,520 sort of like context where you can say 1038 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:31,710 well if these objects are moving at 1039 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:35,700 those kind of speeds in a relativistic 1040 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:39,330 kind of like rocket equation how quickly 1041 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:42,540 if they were able to to do that those 1042 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:44,610 speech how long would it take him to be 1043 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:48,170 able to get to Alpha Centauri okay and 1044 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:50,490 and that's where he was like saying well 1045 00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,990 here you got objects that are being 1046 00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,180 measured these speeds potentially you 1047 00:45:03,260 --> 00:44:56,760 could get to you know let's say Alpha 1048 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:03,270 Centauri within maybe ten days you know 1049 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,130 ten days would have elapsed if you would 1050 00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,560 for the people on board the ship not bad 1051 00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:10,640 at all I could handle that right or 1052 00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:13,230 again depending upon if it's the the 1053 00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:14,760 smaller one which is like for example 1054 00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:14,950 the 1055 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:17,800 al well if you could take that you know 1056 00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,420 you're talking that you might be able to 1057 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:22,380 get the Alpha Centauri in let's say 45 1058 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,450 days that's alright that's more of a 1059 00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:27,040 push but it's doable I think I could 1060 00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:27,880 handle that too 1061 00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:30,700 yeah so he gave us these kind of you 1062 00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:32,920 know equations and it's basically taking 1063 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:34,990 it from those cases that if those 1064 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:36,609 objects are being tracked at those 1065 00:45:42,569 --> 00:45:38,740 speeds and you look at those 1066 00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:42,579 accelerations well then bottom line is 1067 00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:43,990 that you're talking about something 1068 00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:46,060 that's moving pretty quick it could be 1069 00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:47,829 somewhere else pretty quick too 1070 00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:50,619 right got it but what would the time 1071 00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:52,869 dilation factor be with those I mean 1072 00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:55,089 it's taken me okay 90 days roundtrip at 1073 00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,700 that slower a g-force level or any of my 1074 00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:01,599 relative is going to still be alive when 1075 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:13,300 I get back god help us if we're gonna be 1076 00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:16,930 around here the planet but that's you 1077 00:46:20,579 --> 00:46:18,820 know that's the problem you get into 1078 00:46:22,349 --> 00:46:20,589 when you're talking about these kinds of 1079 00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:22,359 things when you're moving those kind of 1080 00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,780 speeds and about people aboard the craft 1081 00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:28,480 if you would first uh people are staying 1082 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:32,079 behind so he's did an excellent job of 1083 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,880 just you know pointing out to us that 1084 00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,640 you know hey look if these objects are 1085 00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:38,800 doing those kind of speech then they 1086 00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,140 have the capability for interstellar 1087 00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,599 flight and oh by the way why wouldn't we 1088 00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:45,520 consider that in the context of eight 1089 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:48,369 are coming from somewhere else to here 1090 00:46:53,339 --> 00:46:50,790 why do we have to rule out the et 1091 00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,349 hypothesis and we always have just to 1092 00:46:58,319 --> 00:46:55,359 say well no it's too far which is what 1093 00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,329 you hear most often right Wow okay and 1094 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:00,880 that's what science tends to tell you so 1095 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:03,010 it was an interesting presentation and 1096 00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,710 I'm just relaying what he thought what 1097 00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:08,200 his premise was and I thought he did a 1098 00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:09,880 fantastic job and everybody was very 1099 00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:12,700 very like oh my god I didn't even think 1100 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,619 about that 1101 00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:16,720 now you also had a dr. Connelly Powell 1102 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:19,270 yeah looks like he talked a little bit 1103 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:20,710 more about how that might actually 1104 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:22,810 happen the actual propulsion that might 1105 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:24,310 get you up to those kind of speeds and 1106 00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:27,490 to make that sort of thing possible tell 1107 00:47:30,299 --> 00:47:28,359 us a little bit about 1108 00:47:33,509 --> 00:47:30,309 he had to say and what you thought of 1109 00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,519 all that well Conley did an excellent 1110 00:47:39,299 --> 00:47:35,680 job of just basically talking to us 1111 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:39,309 about you know more of the context of 1112 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:42,450 where we currently are with our with our 1113 00:47:49,259 --> 00:47:46,210 latest thoughts around propulsion and 1114 00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:49,269 and more less about the Alcubierre type 1115 00:47:53,819 --> 00:47:52,180 thing but more about you know we were 1116 00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:53,829 sitting in a room where you see rockets 1117 00:47:57,229 --> 00:47:54,940 all around and we're still building 1118 00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:57,239 rockets right right you know and and 1119 00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:01,210 we're not using you know the 1120 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:05,140 capabilities of like the Alcubierre we 1121 00:48:09,329 --> 00:48:07,210 those are all hypothetically at this at 1122 00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:09,339 this point and so what he tried to talk 1123 00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,230 to us about was like even if you got 1124 00:48:16,229 --> 00:48:12,880 like something like a thermal nuclear 1125 00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:16,239 propulsion system and you know and and 1126 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:18,369 how that would work and he talked a lot 1127 00:48:26,989 --> 00:48:23,049 about that that type of flight and you 1128 00:48:30,049 --> 00:48:26,999 know what what would that do for us and 1129 00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:30,059 and so he was more in the conventional 1130 00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:33,220 realm as opposed to that theoretical 1131 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,480 realm okay and so again it was a 1132 00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:39,940 situation that he was saying that you 1133 00:48:46,259 --> 00:48:43,660 know we should be able to if we if we 1134 00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:46,269 can get that right kind of speed and 1135 00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,339 know we've got that kind of technology 1136 00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:50,880 that we would be able to to make those 1137 00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:54,400 those trip times well yeah we're hearing 1138 00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:56,470 in the news now about that getting men 1139 00:48:59,729 --> 00:48:58,089 to Mars and all that and I've got to say 1140 00:49:01,769 --> 00:48:59,739 even with current propulsion even that 1141 00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:01,779 would be a serious push that we're gonna 1142 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:03,700 need some kind of next it's one thing to 1143 00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:06,430 get Landers and Rovers and so on there 1144 00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:09,430 but even that you talked about the 1145 00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:11,859 astronaut mr. Kelly yeah and his health 1146 00:49:16,109 --> 00:49:13,720 problems you'd be hanging out in deep 1147 00:49:20,279 --> 00:49:16,119 space for an awfully long time just to 1148 00:49:21,539 --> 00:49:20,289 get to Mars exactly and so you know we 1149 00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:21,549 keep coming back to the fact that 1150 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:24,339 working through all of the health 1151 00:49:27,989 --> 00:49:26,410 challenges and the logistics think about 1152 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,999 the logistics of trying to keep people 1153 00:49:32,009 --> 00:49:30,880 fed right right right yeah yeah you've 1154 00:49:34,739 --> 00:49:32,019 got it you've got to carry provisions 1155 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:34,749 yeah and so the problem there it gets 1156 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:37,900 into the situation where you know it's 1157 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:40,450 easier for us to develop a system or 1158 00:49:44,359 --> 00:49:40,890 something 1159 00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:44,369 in the form of a remote vehicle without 1160 00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:46,950 a human in it and then to try to do it 1161 00:49:52,009 --> 00:49:50,220 that and to put that way but there's 1162 00:49:54,489 --> 00:49:52,019 even problems you have to consider there 1163 00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:54,499 because I mean when this was brought out 1164 00:50:02,200 --> 00:49:58,319 to us in the conversation we had that 1165 00:50:05,779 --> 00:50:02,210 thing mechanical objects fail and have 1166 00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:05,789 and will also go bad so even if you took 1167 00:50:11,539 --> 00:50:08,819 you know a ship where it doesn't have a 1168 00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,549 human and you put it out and sent it out 1169 00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:13,920 into deep space there's gonna be 1170 00:50:18,979 --> 00:50:16,380 problems with it and and it would 1171 00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:18,989 actually end up failing and and not work 1172 00:50:23,299 --> 00:50:21,329 and so you get what I'm saying it's like 1173 00:50:27,229 --> 00:50:23,309 they're you're there's a lot to consider 1174 00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:27,239 and so when we think about doing kind of 1175 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:28,980 like going out into space and stuff like 1176 00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,710 that there are tremendous hurdles so we 1177 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:33,359 have things that we don't 1178 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,609 michaei to comprehend yet then we're 1179 00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:38,400 still trying to study and we don't know 1180 00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,950 what that's like and the speeds of us 1181 00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:43,200 trying to do this and then you have 1182 00:50:46,099 --> 00:50:44,609 these objects that are bounding around 1183 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:46,109 in our skies and I've been doing it for 1184 00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,650 a long time and so it's very interesting 1185 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:50,880 situation and that's what I would want 1186 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:52,529 to get scientists engaged in this 1187 00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:55,980 conversation so bad that that we can 1188 00:51:02,420 --> 00:50:58,109 have these kind of discussions so how is 1189 00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:02,430 it possible how can you do that and so 1190 00:51:06,289 --> 00:51:04,230 the thrust of what I try to do is to 1191 00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:06,299 create a safe environment where they can 1192 00:51:11,059 --> 00:51:08,549 get together and feel comfortable enough 1193 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,069 to have a conversation and yeah they 1194 00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:13,920 came to get our suite got it real quick 1195 00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,960 rich I don't know if at me it sound like 1196 00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,339 you might have a loose connection in 1197 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:19,559 your mic you're gobbling up by just a 1198 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:21,690 little bit okay now if it's your end or 1199 00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:25,710 our connection or I'm sorry but can you 1200 00:51:31,099 --> 00:51:27,749 hear me now okay uh yeah it's still 1201 00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:31,109 going a little bit if you can say 1202 00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:33,480 something again okay I'm gonna try it 1203 00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:33,960 again 1204 00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:37,230 is this any better no I'm not not sure 1205 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:39,059 what's causing it but we'll soldier 1206 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,650 through that's fine we'll just keep 1207 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:44,160 going we'll just keep rolling okay yeah 1208 00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:48,690 now I can you know still getting the 1209 00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,820 all right we'll hang on one okay maybe a 1210 00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:01,020 crimped wire somewhere along the way or 1211 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:02,030 something 1212 00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:09,930 is that any better yes yes yes we'll do 1213 00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:15,390 some tactical maneuvering here and all 1214 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:22,140 right okay so good okay oh yeah you've 1215 00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:23,850 you've gotten rid of your headphones I'm 1216 00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:25,560 picking up some of the feedback you're 1217 00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:26,990 listening to me through the speakers now 1218 00:52:33,830 --> 00:52:31,560 is this any better yes well yeah but I'm 1219 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:33,840 getting feedback I'm hearing myself come 1220 00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:36,510 through your mic isn't letting my voice 1221 00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:43,950 up on your your heater you gotta love 1222 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:47,369 technology yeah so maybe if you get away 1223 00:53:03,020 --> 00:52:59,599 let's try this can you hear me okay yes 1224 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:03,030 I can hear you much better now okay 1225 00:53:10,070 --> 00:53:07,500 let's see this works seems to be so far 1226 00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:10,080 okay yep yep yep 1227 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:11,820 all right I think it'll be good I think 1228 00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:14,310 we're good to go okay and all the jobs 1229 00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:17,100 no problem no problem it's you know it's 1230 00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,980 live you know okay now another fellow 1231 00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,920 that you had on the speaking at the 1232 00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:31,680 conference was dr. Travis Taylor the 1233 00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:34,140 rednecks and Rockets fellow I believe 1234 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:39,380 and how did how did that come about and 1235 00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:42,330 to be honest about it his topic was one 1236 00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:45,030 that there might might rub some UFO 1237 00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:47,190 folks the wrong way talking about alien 1238 00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:49,320 invasion and such so once you tell me a 1239 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,910 little bit about his appearance there 1240 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:53,880 well his appearance was actually the 1241 00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,050 best I think and absolutely fantastic 1242 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:01,920 because yeah I have to know Travis and 1243 00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:05,880 so Travis is a local hospital guy 1244 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,910 and I don't know if you know it but like 1245 00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:11,520 he's got two PhDs and three master's 1246 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:12,150 degrees 1247 00:54:18,110 --> 00:54:15,930 he's a kid that basically got started 1248 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:18,120 like I did you know get me an agent 1249 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:20,970 his dad was building the Saturn fives 1250 00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:25,770 and the Rockets over there NASA just he 1251 00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:29,540 grew up just you know highly curious and 1252 00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:33,990 he's a very incredibly deep thinker and 1253 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:37,020 an innovator I would say as well because 1254 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:41,370 I mean what he's done for the military 1255 00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:47,070 is is very you know a put it he's right 1256 00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:49,740 now for example building a lab off of 1257 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:52,020 the Arsenal right now Redstone Arsenal 1258 00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:55,890 that is doing projects of the quantum 1259 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:01,050 entanglement and so very 1260 00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:06,570 forward-thinking very much into the 1261 00:55:12,590 --> 00:55:09,840 sciences very able and eloquently and 1262 00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:12,600 simply able to communicate the 1263 00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:14,340 scientists who you I think he's been 1264 00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:17,070 doing some like professor type work or 1265 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:19,350 something like doesn't teach it now let 1266 00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:20,700 me jump in really quick and you 1267 00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:22,200 mentioned the quantum entanglement and 1268 00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:24,540 quantum entanglement to what end 1269 00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:33,080 many many of the things that that he's 1270 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:34,620 been involved with because he's work 1271 00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,810 like right now he's working space and 1272 00:55:42,830 --> 00:55:38,760 missile defense agency and that's 1273 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:42,840 underneath the army and he's worked for 1274 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:45,050 a lot of others over the base with NASA 1275 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:48,270 scientists and stuff like that he's just 1276 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:51,900 you know one of those guys that did no 1277 00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,010 science to the top and bottom and can do 1278 00:56:01,340 --> 00:55:57,960 incredible things and makes things 1279 00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:01,350 happen and so I all I know is that he 1280 00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:03,030 shared with me was doing some sort of 1281 00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:04,560 lab work on that and then the other 1282 00:56:09,590 --> 00:56:06,300 thing is that he's got clearances that 1283 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:09,600 go out the door so I'm sure that you 1284 00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:11,670 know I'm sure that you know I got 1285 00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:13,710 probably the Reader's Digest version of 1286 00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:17,220 what he was doing anyway but he's also 1287 00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:18,680 involved and I don't know 1288 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,350 know this or not but he's he's written 1289 00:56:26,830 --> 00:56:24,170 like probably I don't know my god oh I 1290 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:26,840 was like 20 books or something like that 1291 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:29,210 we got bought he's an author he's uh I 1292 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:31,370 haven't read that many box oh yeah I'm 1293 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:34,610 impressed well and then he is also of 1294 00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,510 the Oman Berber I mean he's he helped 1295 00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:40,640 produce right now he's doing the ancient 1296 00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:41,270 aliens 1297 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:45,500 oh and he's also doing the that was the 1298 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:57,870 didn't know about the the Oak Island so 1299 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:00,790 he's basically engaged in that and he's 1300 00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:02,510 been engaged in a lot of different shows 1301 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:04,550 there was a I think a National 1302 00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:06,890 Geographic show that was called when the 1303 00:57:11,350 --> 00:57:08,750 aliens attack or something like that 1304 00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:11,360 right and let me come back and just 1305 00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:12,620 share with you because it's like you 1306 00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:14,660 know when people look at the topic they 1307 00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:17,180 was to do like aliens or invasion or 1308 00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:19,480 something of that nature let me clarify 1309 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:23,180 why that was a very appropriate in the 1310 00:57:30,310 --> 00:57:26,330 first place you know we are talking 1311 00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:30,320 about sitting outside a military or you 1312 00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:32,870 know a military facility here right 1313 00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:35,870 right you know and the hope was and 1314 00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:37,400 mechanic if you even if you can look at 1315 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:40,940 the context of the the a tip program 1316 00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,330 it's about threat right right so when 1317 00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:45,920 you talk about threats and you talk 1318 00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:47,630 about national defense and you talk 1319 00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:49,790 about offense then you have to consider 1320 00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:53,600 them and you know that we have to defend 1321 00:58:01,090 --> 00:57:56,660 ourselves and so apparently a number of 1322 00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:01,100 years back he got somehow engaged and 1323 00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:05,360 basically looking at and he was telling 1324 00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,740 a story if it's like something along the 1325 00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:09,920 line of like he was talking to some 1326 00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:12,470 military people and they come like you 1327 00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:15,620 know told he said well if we're gonna do 1328 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:18,590 asymmetric warfare with something 1329 00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:20,690 unknown we need to get into asymmetric 1330 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:22,670 warfare and I'm not saying this probably 1331 00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:24,050 right but I'm trying to give you the 1332 00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:28,820 gist of it and that basically he he pops 1333 00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:30,800 up and says something about what happens 1334 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:32,380 if we did 1335 00:58:39,299 --> 00:58:37,210 by aliens and the military officer said 1336 00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:39,309 okay well you know we need to think that 1337 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:43,119 out you know it's so basically and we do 1338 00:58:48,059 --> 00:58:44,890 this a lot you know we put together war 1339 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:48,069 plans and worse scenarios and so he was 1340 00:58:51,779 --> 00:58:49,690 someone he got together with another 1341 00:58:54,329 --> 00:58:51,789 individual I guess and they started to 1342 00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:54,339 get a team together and did the whole 1343 00:58:59,549 --> 00:58:56,230 how would you do this what would you do 1344 00:59:02,220 --> 00:58:59,559 and how would you and they put the 1345 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:02,230 science behind it so you know even 1346 00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,210 looking at their current capabilities at 1347 00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:06,400 the time into saying why what will you 1348 00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:08,200 gonna do move guns around do you think 1349 00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:10,329 our guns can do this do you think and 1350 00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:14,500 the next the nature of Travis Taylor 1351 00:59:18,329 --> 00:59:16,390 because if you look at him on rocket 1352 00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:18,339 city rednecks that he was that show was 1353 00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:21,720 on for a couple years it was about him 1354 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:24,910 some friends over at the base his dad 1355 00:59:30,359 --> 00:59:28,210 was in the rocket scientists and he 1356 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:30,369 would do things like whoa let me show 1357 00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:33,130 you how you can make a submarine out of 1358 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:35,740 everyday he stopped okay so you would 1359 00:59:40,259 --> 00:59:37,750 then take every day stop and make it 1360 00:59:42,569 --> 00:59:40,269 into a submarine that would work or he 1361 00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:42,579 would you know how can you make rocket 1362 00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:44,380 let's go make a rocket you know and so 1363 00:59:48,509 --> 00:59:46,750 they may do that out of just you know 1364 00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:48,519 going to the Piggly Wiggly or something 1365 00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:50,950 like that you know getting stuff and 1366 00:59:57,749 --> 00:59:55,599 using stuff in their garage and so the 1367 00:59:59,279 --> 00:59:57,759 bottom line is that the show got very 1368 01:00:02,249 --> 00:59:59,289 very creative but that was his 1369 01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,259 engineering kind of like mine stud to be 1370 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:04,480 able to use simple materials and it 1371 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:06,490 shows off his capabilities and his 1372 01:00:11,609 --> 01:00:09,130 strengths so this is about you know when 1373 01:00:13,890 --> 01:00:11,619 aliens attacked was about you know well 1374 01:00:16,650 --> 01:00:13,900 what would we do and how would we fight 1375 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:16,660 the fight and he shared that with us in 1376 01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:18,730 in this story which was absolutely 1377 01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,460 hilarious at times and he was talking 1378 01:00:26,430 --> 01:00:22,960 about that you know he he causeth 1379 01:00:29,579 --> 01:00:26,440 Fermi's not paradox but Fermi's blunder 1380 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:29,589 and covers the fact that you know he was 1381 01:00:35,099 --> 01:00:32,730 wrong basically and and it is 1382 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:35,109 calculations and his thinking and so he 1383 01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:36,970 shows us where he went wrong it caused 1384 01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,910 the burmese blunder and so that's you 1385 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:41,920 know we learned a lot from just that and 1386 01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:43,810 why that's a problematic 1387 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:45,820 kind of equation he has his own equation 1388 01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:49,720 a lot of other different things and just 1389 01:00:58,380 --> 01:00:53,560 a very forward think that it was it kept 1390 01:01:00,120 --> 01:00:58,390 you in thrall okay alright so a last but 1391 01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:00,130 not least uh I think I've discussed 1392 01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:01,420 everybody don't think I missed anybody 1393 01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:04,780 that you had at the conference except 1394 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:07,360 one and I'm gonna bring him up the guy 1395 01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:09,010 that everybody wanted to hear 1396 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:11,230 excuse me the guy that everybody wanted 1397 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:14,530 to hear Louis Elizondo so tell me a 1398 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:16,600 little bit about how you got him for the 1399 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:19,390 conference in the first place and how 1400 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:23,890 did everything go well originally we 1401 01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:26,250 were gonna have a dr. Silvano Paula Bono 1402 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:28,150 that would have been a good that would 1403 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:31,890 have been a good get yeah I mean we were 1404 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:34,810 because you know he had done James 1405 01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:37,090 research and he would put out that drink 1406 01:01:43,770 --> 01:01:40,960 paper that was basically talking about 1407 01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:43,780 you know that there are potential we 1408 01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:46,480 should be focusing on UFOs and things 1409 01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:49,120 like that so and then you probably saw 1410 01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,820 what happened to him it was you know on 1411 01:01:55,770 --> 01:01:53,920 the media and next thing you know where 1412 01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:55,780 is he kinda like we shut off and he said 1413 01:01:59,940 --> 01:01:58,090 well I can't calm and so then we were 1414 01:02:01,620 --> 01:01:59,950 left without a keynote and I got to 1415 01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:01,630 thinking about it I think you know we 1416 01:02:06,510 --> 01:02:03,880 were kicking around Boca we get that 1417 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:06,520 kind of like has a military coming like 1418 01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:08,050 background because we're trying to have 1419 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:11,320 this outside of the Arsenal and who 1420 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:13,210 would be meaningful to the people that 1421 01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:16,090 we were having and well why wouldn't you 1422 01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:19,780 have somebody like Lula's Elizondo who 1423 01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:22,960 basically was in charge of the a tip 1424 01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:25,360 program and and to talk about the very 1425 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:26,740 things that we're trying to talk about 1426 01:02:33,630 --> 01:02:30,730 and so we got I think Robert got a hold 1427 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:33,640 of Hal put off and and how eventually 1428 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:36,730 put us in contact with Lou and and then 1429 01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:38,650 we asked if Lou was willing to come out 1430 01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:40,540 and we made arrangements for that to 1431 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:43,030 come and then lo and behold how came out 1432 01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:44,290 of it yeah he was there he didn't 1433 01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:46,660 present but he was there as well oh man 1434 01:02:55,860 --> 01:02:49,720 I mean I was sitting and just had it I 1435 01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:55,870 mean I've been at this for a long time 1436 01:02:59,650 --> 01:02:57,710 and thrill of 1437 01:03:02,670 --> 01:02:59,660 getting a chance to me you know not only 1438 01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:02,680 all these other doctors that were in our 1439 01:03:08,109 --> 01:03:06,200 phd's that were there but to actually be 1440 01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,119 a guy who was running a government 1441 01:03:13,329 --> 01:03:10,400 program that was dealing in aerial 1442 01:03:15,609 --> 01:03:13,339 phenomena like this and and then also to 1443 01:03:17,410 --> 01:03:15,619 meet how put off who's got incredible 1444 01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:17,420 history with this kind of like this 1445 01:03:20,620 --> 01:03:19,070 stuff plus you know other kinds of 1446 01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:20,630 things remote viewing and so on and so 1447 01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:21,140 forth 1448 01:03:27,579 --> 01:03:23,060 anyone's like you know my dreams 1449 01:03:29,950 --> 01:03:27,589 fulfilled back you know and so anyway 1450 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:29,960 that grew up in project little book so I 1451 01:03:33,849 --> 01:03:32,330 had a chance to meet Hector quinella and 1452 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:33,859 some of the other people at the base and 1453 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:35,570 I interacted with the people in Project 1454 01:03:40,510 --> 01:03:37,730 Blue Book so you're talking about right 1455 01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:40,520 Pat then oh yeah that's up and I grew up 1456 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:43,369 in Dayton Ohio and okay right right but 1457 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:45,410 again for me it's like you know I've got 1458 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:47,570 started this little you know 13-year old 1459 01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:50,810 kind of kid and and then the next thing 1460 01:04:00,730 --> 01:03:52,310 I know is now Here I am 1461 01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,740 my gonna be 67 or I'm 67 meet these 1462 01:04:05,770 --> 01:04:02,240 other people and I was just thrilled to 1463 01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:05,780 death anyway so Lew volunteered to come 1464 01:04:13,060 --> 01:04:09,859 and you know what a great guy I mean I 1465 01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:13,070 just want to tell you I'm I have just 1466 01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:15,740 this has been a joy for me to be able to 1467 01:04:20,859 --> 01:04:17,720 meet Lou first off you have to 1468 01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:20,869 understand that I work again in support 1469 01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:24,020 of army and army soldiers right so you 1470 01:04:27,609 --> 01:04:25,849 care for the country you care for the 1471 01:04:29,890 --> 01:04:27,619 defense of the country and that's what 1472 01:04:33,550 --> 01:04:29,900 your jobs about right I happen to work 1473 01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:33,560 in IT security cyber security and so you 1474 01:04:38,290 --> 01:04:36,380 know that's the world of I live and a 1475 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:38,300 little course you know worked in the 1476 01:04:42,609 --> 01:04:40,730 Department of Defense and and also came 1477 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:42,619 up through the army ranks and stuff so 1478 01:04:48,190 --> 01:04:45,050 you know he was also in the Intel world 1479 01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:48,200 and but anyway what a man of character 1480 01:04:54,849 --> 01:04:52,070 integrity and you know honor and it was 1481 01:04:57,099 --> 01:04:54,859 just fabulous to see his level of 1482 01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:57,109 integrity and I'm a good read on people 1483 01:05:01,839 --> 01:04:59,660 to know that he's blowing me smoke or if 1484 01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:01,849 he's telling the truth and we had 1485 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,460 nothing but honest conversations the 1486 01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,880 whole weekend not only just for me but 1487 01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,960 everybody that was in that room and 1488 01:05:11,650 --> 01:05:11,119 everybody walked away just getting the 1489 01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:11,660 nose 1490 01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:14,990 I love him and and its really see how 1491 01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:17,240 you know much integrity that this may 1492 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:20,329 have had he's not gonna lie and he's 1493 01:05:25,059 --> 01:05:22,490 obviously also concerned about clearance 1494 01:05:27,490 --> 01:05:25,069 and we all are you know we want to keep 1495 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:27,500 clearances or protected information and 1496 01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,130 we all learn about that day in a day and 1497 01:05:35,170 --> 01:05:33,680 day out over the Arsenal we have to go 1498 01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:35,180 through all kinds of training classes 1499 01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,880 about you know that time stuff so I 1500 01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:39,440 honor the fact that he can't tell me 1501 01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:41,030 everything he worked with in a different 1502 01:05:45,849 --> 01:05:43,670 place but the bottom line was we can 1503 01:05:47,770 --> 01:05:45,859 tell me he's pretty doggone directing I 1504 01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:47,780 put him through the grist mill in terms 1505 01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:49,400 of questions we got from the audience 1506 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:52,220 well just just real quick let me jump in 1507 01:05:57,339 --> 01:05:55,490 here and ask you're running a scientific 1508 01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,349 organization and it's all about 1509 01:06:04,809 --> 01:06:00,319 gathering data the military has the best 1510 01:06:07,329 --> 01:06:04,819 data and they tend not to give it up do 1511 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:07,339 you see that breaking down anytime soon 1512 01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:09,650 or is it gonna stay like this it's 1513 01:06:14,589 --> 01:06:12,079 always gonna be yeah video gets leaked 1514 01:06:18,130 --> 01:06:14,599 here video gets leaked there maybe you 1515 01:06:21,069 --> 01:06:18,140 get a bit of a tip from somebody and a 1516 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:21,079 FOIA can be can be filed it's a very 1517 01:06:25,329 --> 01:06:23,240 tedious work just getting bits and 1518 01:06:28,450 --> 01:06:25,339 pieces crumbs here and there to try to 1519 01:06:30,099 --> 01:06:28,460 piece these stories together well I 1520 01:06:33,010 --> 01:06:30,109 think that you know there's some 1521 01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,020 elements that you know for example when 1522 01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:34,640 you talk about the government giving 1523 01:06:40,269 --> 01:06:36,950 having the data let me let me also 1524 01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,279 clarify that the government but is also 1525 01:06:46,690 --> 01:06:43,039 contractors and defense contractors that 1526 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:46,700 have the data okay so I when we go to 1527 01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:49,490 talk with the government a lot of times 1528 01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:51,920 the government person is in charge of a 1529 01:06:56,049 --> 01:06:54,440 program and that program consists of a 1530 01:06:58,690 --> 01:06:56,059 whole bunch of contractors through 1531 01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:58,700 whatever means and so really the data is 1532 01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:00,710 probably out of Lockheed Martin or the 1533 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:04,190 data is that you know other locations 1534 01:07:09,490 --> 01:07:07,250 and when you talk to a program manager 1535 01:07:12,849 --> 01:07:09,500 they don't know about what's going on up 1536 01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:12,859 at the base or the level of data data 1537 01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:15,140 they they know just they're bureaucrats 1538 01:07:19,059 --> 01:07:17,240 they they keep a program going they 1539 01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:19,069 maybe help out with the money or they 1540 01:07:23,769 --> 01:07:21,980 keep they they do briefings to senior 1541 01:07:24,359 --> 01:07:23,779 leaders or something of that nature and 1542 01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:24,369 that's pretty 1543 01:07:30,539 --> 01:07:28,180 about it right right so I mean I'm not 1544 01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:30,549 gonna go to Lu Elizondo and ask a whole 1545 01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,049 lot of physics questions because he's 1546 01:07:37,019 --> 01:07:34,480 not a physicist right or sure I mean I 1547 01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,029 would I look at blue Elizondo he's born 1548 01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:39,039 the role of a bureaucrat like many of 1549 01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:41,740 them running a program and so you know 1550 01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:43,990 we wouldn't always wanted to jump up and 1551 01:07:48,509 --> 01:07:46,150 ask Lou you know hey what about this 1552 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:48,519 what about that and you know he's gonna 1553 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:51,450 have to rely on what he got from his a 1554 01:07:55,499 --> 01:07:53,650 contractor which might have been Bigelow 1555 01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:55,509 or somebody else it's actually doing all 1556 01:08:01,620 --> 01:07:59,170 the work so you know when we say will we 1557 01:08:03,690 --> 01:08:01,630 get the data the data is and the 1558 01:08:05,609 --> 01:08:03,700 contracting world and possibly not with 1559 01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:05,619 Lockheed Martin so why aren't we going 1560 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:07,630 to the Lockheed Martin say we want the 1561 01:08:14,249 --> 01:08:10,450 data and and the other part of that is 1562 01:08:16,649 --> 01:08:14,259 that I would also say to you that so 1563 01:08:18,689 --> 01:08:16,659 scientists out there are looking at the 1564 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:18,699 data they're coming up or something and 1565 01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,770 they're being able to figure out how 1566 01:08:25,649 --> 01:08:22,480 they can leverage that for the defense 1567 01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:25,659 of our country and so you know we don't 1568 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:27,400 want to give away secrets in fact we're 1569 01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,170 very concerned about the fact that right 1570 01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:31,839 now that the Chinese are actually 1571 01:08:36,329 --> 01:08:34,299 capturing all of our information on our 1572 01:08:38,459 --> 01:08:36,339 R&D networks or something of that nature 1573 01:08:40,379 --> 01:08:38,469 and then are basically over there 1574 01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:40,389 recreating everything that we're but 1575 01:08:44,939 --> 01:08:43,000 we're putting together on our plans or 1576 01:08:46,559 --> 01:08:44,949 maybe even jumping ahead of us if you 1577 01:08:49,019 --> 01:08:46,569 know they're a little bit more efficient 1578 01:08:50,999 --> 01:08:49,029 so we wonder why there's a UAV that 1579 01:08:52,919 --> 01:08:51,009 looks amazingly like a UAV that we've 1580 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:52,929 got on the drawing table over in China 1581 01:08:58,649 --> 01:08:56,170 well you know guess what so you have to 1582 01:09:00,930 --> 01:08:58,659 be closed blips a little bit you have to 1583 01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:00,940 be very very cautious about what you say 1584 01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:04,960 and and so openness completely open is 1585 01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:07,750 like opening the kimono to letting the 1586 01:09:12,059 --> 01:09:09,880 enemy know everything you're doing or 1587 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:12,069 whatever and so why would you do that 1588 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:14,650 right I understood understood it but 1589 01:09:18,689 --> 01:09:16,449 that let me yeah jump in here again and 1590 01:09:20,849 --> 01:09:18,699 say that as far as some of these hot 1591 01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,859 cases that come in from UFOs and I'm 1592 01:09:26,849 --> 01:09:23,920 guessing well the the Nimitz case didn't 1593 01:09:29,879 --> 01:09:26,859 even happen well Elizondo was a running 1594 01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:29,889 a tip but predated that he must have 1595 01:09:35,070 --> 01:09:31,420 been doing something I mean they're they 1596 01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:35,080 must have been getting cases in yeah I'm 1597 01:09:37,919 --> 01:09:35,949 sure that they were collecting 1598 01:09:38,249 --> 01:09:37,929 information you know intimidate would be 1599 01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:38,259 like 1600 01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:40,120 you know if I set up a project in the 1601 01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:42,160 DoD and I said okay well first I've 1602 01:09:44,460 --> 01:09:43,660 gotta make it what am I gonna do I want 1603 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:44,470 to collect beta 1604 01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:46,810 okay I'm gonna click bait on what I'm 1605 01:09:51,329 --> 01:09:48,910 gonna collect data on UFOs now I gotta 1606 01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:51,339 go out and educate the entire Navy or 1607 01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:53,500 all those different players that I'm I'm 1608 01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,540 here to apply and I want you to send 1609 01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:58,000 this kind of data to this location okay 1610 01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:00,280 so you got that you have to stand up you 1611 01:10:03,930 --> 01:10:02,020 know whatever you're gonna do and in 1612 01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:03,940 terms of a contract you got to make 1613 01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:05,560 arrangements for them to go out to study 1614 01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:07,900 things so a set came up and it basically 1615 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:10,900 you know was put together and set it 1616 01:10:17,310 --> 01:10:12,850 away and then Bigelow winds up winning 1617 01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:17,320 it and then eventually they ate it it 1618 01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:19,989 narrows down the entire scope of the 1619 01:10:25,979 --> 01:10:21,910 loss a program into something that was 1620 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:25,989 more meaningful and and so bloob comes 1621 01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:28,570 in he's now I mean it's been maybe 1622 01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:30,310 running it's been running for a period 1623 01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:32,380 of time doesn't know necessarily all the 1624 01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:34,840 information I guess and to figure that 1625 01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,940 out and they keep getting information 1626 01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:39,040 and and somebody out there like either 1627 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:41,200 the Bigelow has got a list or they got 1628 01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:42,970 some other people folded something to do 1629 01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:46,030 that on contract or they send stuff out 1630 01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,700 to Sandia National Laboratory or they 1631 01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,040 send stuff in that within the DoD world 1632 01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:52,960 and get a whole bunch of head smart 1633 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:54,820 people and help take a look at that and 1634 01:11:00,330 --> 01:10:57,610 then so I mean that this is the kind of 1635 01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:00,340 thing that we would do where we are in 1636 01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:02,830 the VOD right now when we go out to all 1637 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:04,510 of our wonderful labs we've got around 1638 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:06,370 the country and say here help us figure 1639 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:08,980 this out so now you got scientists 1640 01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:10,570 engaged and they're probably feeding 1641 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:12,700 back information to the program and the 1642 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:15,010 program manager is not getting this and 1643 01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:16,570 trying to make sense out of what he's 1644 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:18,700 getting and then he's out there trying 1645 01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,730 to do with helping to inform leadership 1646 01:11:26,010 --> 01:11:23,920 of what's going on he's doing River 1647 01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:26,020 routine briefings and trying to keep 1648 01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,140 them that bag at the same time you know 1649 01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:31,360 and then that's what we would be doing I 1650 01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:33,040 mean would be collecting all that stuff 1651 01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:35,350 and comment running the program and you 1652 01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,300 know working with different partners and 1653 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:39,280 players and stuff like that and so that 1654 01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:42,730 data would come would then analyze and 1655 01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:45,160 then the analysis results would go to to 1656 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:48,190 you know the Pentagon not necessarily 1657 01:11:51,569 --> 01:11:50,920 all the data but you know the analysis 1658 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:51,579 of that 1659 01:11:56,339 --> 01:11:54,010 reports and summary summary reports 1660 01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:56,349 right and so you take the some reports 1661 01:11:59,580 --> 01:11:57,699 and those are the kinds of things that 1662 01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,590 you talked about with senior leaders 1663 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:01,630 right senior leaders not gonna want to 1664 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:03,250 get into looking and scrutinize through 1665 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:05,010 you know realms of data 1666 01:12:10,799 --> 01:12:07,570 it's the analyst that would do that and 1667 01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:10,809 and so that would not have been done by 1668 01:12:15,569 --> 01:12:12,820 the people necessarily at the Pentagon 1669 01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:15,579 because they're all bureaucrats unless 1670 01:12:18,660 --> 01:12:17,020 they're contractors there and they're 1671 01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:18,670 doing some things for different projects 1672 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:20,679 but the bottom line is I think that this 1673 01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:24,010 was you know just a small I think it's a 1674 01:12:27,899 --> 01:12:25,480 small kind of program that was baby 1675 01:12:29,069 --> 01:12:27,909 running and all the outliers with all 1676 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:29,079 the different people that were out there 1677 01:12:34,589 --> 01:12:32,530 that were the defense contractors doing 1678 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:34,599 all the work which is by the way exactly 1679 01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:37,690 what's going on right now right right so 1680 01:12:42,899 --> 01:12:40,030 I he obviously became aware of the 1681 01:12:46,169 --> 01:12:42,909 Nimitz case did he give you any kind of 1682 01:12:48,569 --> 01:12:46,179 feel for other cases coming across his 1683 01:12:50,580 --> 01:12:48,579 desk he says that there are other even 1684 01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:50,590 better cases or cases that are just as 1685 01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:52,329 good and you didn't give a specific 1686 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:54,460 number but there are at least some of 1687 01:12:58,919 --> 01:12:57,010 them there's I think one of the 1688 01:13:01,080 --> 01:12:58,929 questions that he was asked are related 1689 01:13:03,930 --> 01:13:01,090 to frequency of these types of things 1690 01:13:09,689 --> 01:13:03,940 did he give you much of a feel for that 1691 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:09,699 how often is this happening yeah so one 1692 01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:11,230 of the questions that was also asked of 1693 01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:12,940 and was like you know is there are these 1694 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:16,679 things frequent how frequent are today 1695 01:13:21,689 --> 01:13:19,570 and I think and there was also some 1696 01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,699 questions that we got about like can you 1697 01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:23,440 predict these things you know can you 1698 01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:25,480 predict are they predictable do we have 1699 01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:27,190 any kind of tools to be able to predict 1700 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:29,710 them and I think what I gotten out of 1701 01:13:36,379 --> 01:13:33,210 that was the answer was no and and 1702 01:13:38,879 --> 01:13:36,389 frequency is is whenever they get data 1703 01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:38,889 provided to them and he didn't specify 1704 01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:42,190 anything like you know a time frame I'm 1705 01:13:46,859 --> 01:13:44,110 sure it's you know probably similar to 1706 01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,869 Blue Book and the context you have hi 1707 01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:48,840 curious and then you have low periods 1708 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:53,710 and again it's a situation where if they 1709 01:13:57,959 --> 01:13:56,170 did receive these reports it was 1710 01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:57,969 probably along the line of somebody 1711 01:14:00,780 --> 01:13:59,260 going on to make sure that they were 1712 01:14:03,149 --> 01:14:00,790 collecting the data and then spending 1713 01:14:05,839 --> 01:14:03,159 time on the data because you just look 1714 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:05,849 at us we spent over a year 1715 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:09,090 looking at the data right over a year 1716 01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:10,770 looking you're talking about the the 1717 01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:14,369 Aguadilla case yeah we spent over a year 1718 01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,239 and a half 1719 01:14:19,729 --> 01:14:17,760 scientists don't move at the rate that 1720 01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:19,739 everybody out there in the you know the 1721 01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,409 internet wants us to we we spend time 1722 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:25,380 analyzing this thing to the gnats Pippi 1723 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:28,170 if you would you know I'm saying it's 1724 01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:30,810 like we're going to analyze it and do 1725 01:14:34,459 --> 01:14:32,820 that so if you think about that the 1726 01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:34,469 context of the things that are getting 1727 01:14:38,030 --> 01:14:36,060 you'd hope that they would be going 1728 01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:38,040 through and doing a lot of analysis 1729 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:39,780 before they come out say anything 1730 01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:43,050 not only analysis of the case in general 1731 01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:45,239 but how did the gear respond that 1732 01:14:50,689 --> 01:14:47,250 they're using you know obviously we've 1733 01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:50,699 got report from the the Princeton with 1734 01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,250 Kevin day operating the radar apparently 1735 01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:55,679 that radar was working fine flavors 1736 01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:57,570 saying that his radar didn't work so 1737 01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:59,250 well when he was much closer you know 1738 01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:00,090 why is that 1739 01:15:03,979 --> 01:15:02,369 you know those seem to be at least from 1740 01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,989 a defense standpoint maybe not 1741 01:15:07,879 --> 01:15:05,820 necessarily of all that great and 1742 01:15:09,620 --> 01:15:07,889 interest to the UFO buffs but to those 1743 01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:09,630 guys I would think that would be right 1744 01:15:12,919 --> 01:15:10,980 it that would be one question that would 1745 01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:12,929 be right up on the top of my list if I 1746 01:15:18,770 --> 01:15:15,329 could put myself in one of their pair of 1747 01:15:20,959 --> 01:15:18,780 shoes for a moment yeah one of the 1748 01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:20,969 things that came out of this weekend it 1749 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:25,560 was that both Hal and Lou left we're 1750 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:27,449 very very impressed okay 1751 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:29,730 and very much willing to work with us to 1752 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:34,290 you on on doing what we do and so that 1753 01:15:38,959 --> 01:15:36,690 was encouraging and I you know and I 1754 01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,969 think that very strongly we're gonna be 1755 01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:41,280 you know probably helping is sub 1756 01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:43,260 capacity whether we're just a think tank 1757 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:46,349 to be good things or what but you know 1758 01:15:52,069 --> 01:15:48,810 we'll be able to help help with that 1759 01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:52,079 equation so I that's one thing that the 1760 01:15:59,089 --> 01:15:54,630 whole week and I think that for me was 1761 01:16:01,069 --> 01:15:59,099 the most significant webs that that it 1762 01:16:02,780 --> 01:16:01,079 looks like we might be able to have a 1763 01:16:06,109 --> 01:16:02,790 working relationship maybe people to 1764 01:16:08,419 --> 01:16:06,119 help look at some of the data that may 1765 01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:08,429 be that falls on t TSA or that they 1766 01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:11,369 somehow acquire and we're hoping that 1767 01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,800 that's the case that maybe we can that 1768 01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:15,360 we can help out with some of that 1769 01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:17,460 analysis similar to what you do with 1770 01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:18,510 Sandia Labs 1771 01:16:23,630 --> 01:16:20,760 or some other labs around the country 1772 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:23,640 the country or at the very least I'll 1773 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:26,010 get you on their new TV shows coming out 1774 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:33,330 I think in May is the last I've heard at 1775 01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,730 the conference and I guess it was just 1776 01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:37,440 announced prior to the fact that he was 1777 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:42,630 coming here and he basically said to me 1778 01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:44,610 that it would you know this is really 1779 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:46,110 really gonna be good there's gonna be a 1780 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:48,090 lot of good stuff come out of it and I 1781 01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:50,450 think you know again he's very very 1782 01:16:55,460 --> 01:16:53,940 serial ah about him we're gonna be 1783 01:16:57,710 --> 01:16:55,470 learning a lot about you know the 1784 01:16:59,900 --> 01:16:57,720 program I think we're gonna be learning 1785 01:17:01,729 --> 01:16:59,910 a lot about just where they're trying to 1786 01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:01,739 go and what they're trying to do even 1787 01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:05,550 with TTS a-and that it goes well beyond 1788 01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:07,860 just this you know educational thing 1789 01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:08,940 that they're actually going to be doing 1790 01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:10,620 some really really good stuff well I 1791 01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:12,510 hope it's go deep I hope they go deep on 1792 01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:15,000 the science I don't know if you want to 1793 01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:17,070 get much into the materials I don't 1794 01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,110 recall him talking too much about it 1795 01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:21,600 during the presentation that's a really 1796 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:24,239 interesting subject you know they say 1797 01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:26,250 that they they have a few things in hand 1798 01:17:31,010 --> 01:17:29,460 that has got their attention they're not 1799 01:17:33,710 --> 01:17:31,020 the only ones holding some interesting 1800 01:17:35,630 --> 01:17:33,720 material that's under study and it's a 1801 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:35,640 phenomenon that does go a part of the 1802 01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:37,290 phenomenon that goes back a little ways 1803 01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:40,230 so it'll be really interesting and you 1804 01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:41,670 know what there'll be a lot of kids out 1805 01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,940 there and maybe you know back when we 1806 01:17:48,650 --> 01:17:46,800 were kids it might have been Star Trek 1807 01:17:50,540 --> 01:17:48,660 that got some people fired up and maybe 1808 01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,550 these guys can do the same kind of thing 1809 01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,440 for the the kids who were gonna be 1810 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:54,239 scientists towards the middle and latter 1811 01:17:58,580 --> 01:17:56,130 part of this century I mean I'm hoping 1812 01:18:01,580 --> 01:17:58,590 that is a the the net result of this 1813 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:01,590 that we all get better as a result of 1814 01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:04,410 this entire UFO phenomenon that kind of 1815 01:18:09,170 --> 01:18:07,140 breaks a break said the imagination out 1816 01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:09,180 a little bit to get some folks thinking 1817 01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:11,790 outside the box and maybe solving some 1818 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:15,060 problems I'd like to see that one of the 1819 01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:17,160 things I want to brag about a little bit 1820 01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:19,110 here on the conference one of the things 1821 01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,000 we did was we actually had you know I 1822 01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:23,040 mean we're not out to make a profit on 1823 01:18:27,380 --> 01:18:24,900 this thing in fact I'm gonna be lucky if 1824 01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:27,390 I get maybe $200 of the whole thing but 1825 01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:29,350 understood but 1826 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:31,090 what I'm trying to share with you is we 1827 01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:33,310 used every bit of this we had people 1828 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:36,460 that couldn't come we had that couldn't 1829 01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,880 make it 1830 01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:39,040 and so what guess what we did we took it 1831 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:41,860 and gave gratis tickets to students at 1832 01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:44,530 universities there you go and so we 1833 01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:47,230 brought them and so we had at the at the 1834 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:48,940 conference I was able to introduce the 1835 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:51,070 two engineering types of students so we 1836 01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:53,410 had one from the University of Alabama 1837 01:18:58,650 --> 01:18:56,950 and engineering and at the same time and 1838 01:19:02,190 --> 01:18:58,660 then one University Val about Birmingham 1839 01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:02,200 and yeah so I mean we got to start with 1840 01:19:06,210 --> 01:19:04,180 young people and they can't afford to 1841 01:19:09,330 --> 01:19:06,220 come and so let's get some students so 1842 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:09,340 that's what we did and did they do any 1843 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,650 contributing or where they're just that 1844 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:12,880 kind of sitting there with their eyes 1845 01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:15,250 wide open and their ears wide open as 1846 01:19:19,740 --> 01:19:17,470 well oh well they were very active in 1847 01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:19,750 conversations I mean no they didn't sit 1848 01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:21,310 back but I mean they didn't present 1849 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:23,080 anything but I mean they certainly I'm 1850 01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:26,890 sure they were engaged and engaging the 1851 01:19:31,470 --> 01:19:29,950 presenters left and right so that's 1852 01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:31,480 precisely what we were trying to 1853 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:34,620 accomplish is to get young young 1854 01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:37,330 scientists if you would engaged and we 1855 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:38,980 want to continue that even if we do this 1856 01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,530 again next year and Jeff do you have 1857 01:19:45,570 --> 01:19:43,600 anything more in the pipeline as far as 1858 01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:45,580 any kind of hot cases that you guys are 1859 01:19:48,930 --> 01:19:47,080 looking at now you know you don't have 1860 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:48,940 to give anything away but do you have 1861 01:19:52,230 --> 01:19:50,290 anything in the pipeline that maybe a 1862 01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:52,240 few months or a year down the road we're 1863 01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:53,950 gonna you're gonna release it and we're 1864 01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:57,040 gonna say Wow well I think there's 1865 01:20:00,210 --> 01:19:58,330 something that's going to be coming up 1866 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:00,220 in the next eight weeks or so that we 1867 01:20:04,830 --> 01:20:02,290 were we were told that might come our 1868 01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:04,840 way and if that doesn't pan out then I 1869 01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:06,190 think we're going to be having another 1870 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:08,380 conversation with some very dramatic 1871 01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,650 stuff because this is actually a 1872 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:13,600 military case with witnesses and a whole 1873 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:16,090 bunch of other stuff so if that if that 1874 01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,850 pans out then we could be having another 1875 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:21,520 conversation there and and delivering 1876 01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:25,330 you know results and I'm very excited I 1877 01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:28,060 think that what I'm starting to see is 1878 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:30,160 it more of an engagement again with 1879 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:32,530 scientific ufology which i think we 1880 01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:35,770 wanted we want to promote and you know 1881 01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:38,560 we need to have conversations I mean 1882 01:20:42,869 --> 01:20:40,300 this one was dedicated to more like 1883 01:20:44,729 --> 01:20:42,879 visible sciences you know like 1884 01:20:47,250 --> 01:20:44,739 you know with rocket propulsion and 1885 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:47,260 space and that type thing well you know 1886 01:20:51,659 --> 01:20:49,209 there's just an equal footing that 1887 01:20:54,089 --> 01:20:51,669 Nautica one with and I'm sure that it is 1888 01:20:57,569 --> 01:20:54,099 but with consciousness kinds of work and 1889 01:20:59,429 --> 01:20:57,579 and all the kinds of things but social 1890 01:21:01,649 --> 01:20:59,439 scientists tell they'll be jumping into 1891 01:21:04,259 --> 01:21:01,659 if this gets much traction you know that 1892 01:21:06,599 --> 01:21:04,269 it's a it's a social phenomena nobody 1893 01:21:09,779 --> 01:21:06,609 can deny that and there there has been 1894 01:21:11,729 --> 01:21:09,789 some work in the past and I'm sure more 1895 01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:11,739 is on the way from the social scientists 1896 01:21:17,639 --> 01:21:16,030 yeah somebody mentioned on Facebook that 1897 01:21:19,799 --> 01:21:17,649 you know it's like I was countered to 1898 01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:19,809 that well I'm not personally Canada I 1899 01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:22,209 think that scientists have a tendency to 1900 01:21:26,819 --> 01:21:24,820 look at it as being you know out of 1901 01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:26,829 their league and they like we have you 1902 01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,209 know people at the conference we're 1903 01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:30,159 asking what about consciousness this or 1904 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,439 that you know they were asking 1905 01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:35,050 Louisville you know Lou has engaged in 1906 01:21:39,779 --> 01:21:37,329 that and really I can't I can't go to a 1907 01:21:42,569 --> 01:21:39,789 propulsion scientist and expect him to 1908 01:21:44,639 --> 01:21:42,579 talk about consciousness so we had to 1909 01:21:47,509 --> 01:21:44,649 put some of those conversations aside 1910 01:21:50,009 --> 01:21:47,519 and say well we can't address that here 1911 01:21:51,929 --> 01:21:50,019 yeah you didn't have the right line up 1912 01:21:53,849 --> 01:21:51,939 but yeah well I think you could probably 1913 01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:53,859 if you wanted to focus on that it 1914 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:55,209 probably wouldn't be that difficult 1915 01:21:58,799 --> 01:21:56,649 because there are plenty of good 1916 01:22:01,259 --> 01:21:58,809 scientists who were on this and very 1917 01:22:03,209 --> 01:22:01,269 much interested correct and and I think 1918 01:22:05,219 --> 01:22:03,219 that those the kind of conversations 1919 01:22:07,799 --> 01:22:05,229 that are probably going on other venues 1920 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:07,809 with other organizations and so I don't 1921 01:22:13,049 --> 01:22:10,570 know to me this is like heavily focused 1922 01:22:15,810 --> 01:22:13,059 on getting the the physical sciences 1923 01:22:17,839 --> 01:22:15,820 engaged if you would right now that's 1924 01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:17,849 our primary focus and kind of where 1925 01:22:22,619 --> 01:22:20,649 we're trying to go because guess what 1926 01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:22,629 they haven't really been engaged with us 1927 01:22:25,229 --> 01:22:24,340 you know engaging with us for a very 1928 01:22:27,389 --> 01:22:25,239 very long time 1929 01:22:28,979 --> 01:22:27,399 why do you what do you think that is 1930 01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,989 rich do you think it said the the John 1931 01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:30,639 Mac effect and the problems he had at 1932 01:22:33,719 --> 01:22:32,409 Harvard why do you think they've stayed 1933 01:22:35,699 --> 01:22:33,729 away from it because I've seen 1934 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:35,709 documentaries where they've got loads of 1935 01:22:39,719 --> 01:22:37,689 sizes oh I watched Star Trek when I was 1936 01:22:42,599 --> 01:22:39,729 a kid or there was a science fiction 1937 01:22:44,219 --> 01:22:42,609 well here's okay here's maybe some 1938 01:22:45,929 --> 01:22:44,229 science fad well there is some science 1939 01:22:47,819 --> 01:22:45,939 fact behind the UFO phenomena let's not 1940 01:22:49,979 --> 01:22:47,829 kid ourselves here I don't want to beat 1941 01:22:51,810 --> 01:22:49,989 around the bush and equivocate that 1942 01:22:53,549 --> 01:22:51,820 there's their science facts surrounding 1943 01:22:55,129 --> 01:22:53,559 this phenomenon what do you think is 1944 01:22:57,620 --> 01:22:55,139 held them back is it 1945 01:23:01,429 --> 01:22:57,630 stigma the stigma attached well that's 1946 01:23:03,529 --> 01:23:01,439 certainly one thing you know I mean it 1947 01:23:05,989 --> 01:23:03,539 doesn't have it don't you can't go to 1948 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,999 like some into UFO conventions or some 1949 01:23:09,859 --> 01:23:08,159 I'm not going to specify which ones but 1950 01:23:11,359 --> 01:23:09,869 but it ultimately you can go to some of 1951 01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:11,369 them and it's like you know a bunch of 1952 01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:14,070 people that are wearing spacesuits or 1953 01:23:19,459 --> 01:23:16,110 something like that right right dressed 1954 01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:19,469 as aliens and and so they see that it's 1955 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:21,719 like the stigma associated is horrible 1956 01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,090 and why would I want to do that and then 1957 01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:26,159 the other part of the equation is that 1958 01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:30,510 you know scientists want data if you 1959 01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:34,260 follow just cannot give them data they 1960 01:23:40,909 --> 01:23:37,860 have nothing to study so you know our 1961 01:23:44,569 --> 01:23:40,919 job is as you follow just if you would 1962 01:23:47,299 --> 01:23:44,579 is if there is a phenomenal then we have 1963 01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:47,309 to go to help them get data that they 1964 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:49,260 can do something with because that's 1965 01:23:56,659 --> 01:23:52,610 what science is about and so ultimately 1966 01:23:59,689 --> 01:23:56,669 the the you know it comes back to the 1967 01:24:01,939 --> 01:23:59,699 ufologists there's got to have the help 1968 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:01,949 to be able to get the data that we need 1969 01:24:06,139 --> 01:24:04,050 and I'm not talking about don't give you 1970 01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,149 an example okay so what have we dealt 1971 01:24:09,529 --> 01:24:07,679 with for like you know if you look at 1972 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:09,539 those MUFON cases that I've talked about 1973 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:13,050 right now you the vast majority of them 1974 01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:16,050 are our eyewitness testimony and they're 1975 01:24:21,589 --> 01:24:17,159 written their stories 1976 01:24:26,089 --> 01:24:21,599 you know I saw occasionally you'll get a 1977 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:26,099 blurry photo all right so to a scientist 1978 01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:29,010 the eyewitness testimony is completely 1979 01:24:34,069 --> 01:24:31,320 ruled out because it's just it's not 1980 01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:34,079 David it's not it's some sort of data 1981 01:24:38,979 --> 01:24:36,630 but it certainly doesn't it's not a part 1982 01:24:41,839 --> 01:24:38,989 of your proof and so consequently 1983 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:41,849 eyewitness can stay this or couldn't say 1984 01:24:46,189 --> 01:24:44,130 that even in the odd would be a case we 1985 01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:46,199 got we talk about witnesses they don't 1986 01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,820 care about that they don't they're only 1987 01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:49,380 concerned about what the what's on the 1988 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:52,380 video right and and so you know you've 1989 01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:55,050 got or what's in the radar and that's 1990 01:25:00,859 --> 01:24:58,800 what scientists do so it behooves us and 1991 01:25:03,139 --> 01:25:00,869 as you follow just to be able to get art 1992 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:03,149 not only just our little cameras out 1993 01:25:08,250 --> 01:25:05,010 there but hey let me give an example 1994 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:08,260 what you can do you can take your 1995 01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:11,410 now and you are and you've got tools on 1996 01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:13,630 cellphones to be able to look at 1997 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:15,400 magnetometer beauties you're able to 1998 01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:17,770 took a look at graviton Hermes you're 1999 01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:20,200 able to look at a whole slew of other 2000 01:25:24,810 --> 01:25:22,510 kinds of things where you can get data 2001 01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:24,820 there's an app called the old light 2002 01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:27,460 that's what you should be taking your 2003 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:31,510 photos with the order light like a like 2004 01:25:35,550 --> 01:25:33,010 a theater like a ground like that 2005 01:25:38,370 --> 01:25:35,560 ground-based theodolite yeah exactly 2006 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:38,380 okay the old line and then why because 2007 01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:41,650 guess what when you take that photo it's 2008 01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:43,870 got a whole bunch of meditated it's 2009 01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:45,760 actually got the angle in the sky and 2010 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,260 you're tight and you took the photo it's 2011 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:50,800 got the GPS coordinates in it it's all 2012 01:25:55,530 --> 01:25:53,290 on the screen on the photo okay so 2013 01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:55,540 you've got a GPS location it's part it's 2014 01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:57,370 part of the EXIF data that basically for 2015 01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:00,400 that particular yeah you you not only 2016 01:26:03,690 --> 01:26:01,960 the EXIF data but there's a whole bunch 2017 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:03,700 of metadata base what I'm trying to get 2018 01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:05,290 at there's a whole bunch of data that 2019 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:08,110 goes along with the photo so now you can 2020 01:26:13,890 --> 01:26:10,530 get angular size you can get the 2021 01:26:16,290 --> 01:26:13,900 location of the sky is precisely at the 2022 01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:16,300 30 degree mark for the 33 degree mark 2023 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:19,660 above horizon you can't the GPS location 2024 01:26:23,729 --> 01:26:21,489 it's got the angle that I'm looking at 2025 01:26:26,430 --> 01:26:23,739 my position and you can start to do 2026 01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:26,440 trigonometry books okay now if you 2027 01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:29,080 started using photos or taking photos of 2028 01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:30,910 objects using something like a Pheo 2029 01:26:35,820 --> 01:26:33,670 light and providing that instead of like 2030 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:35,830 you know the other stuff then we might 2031 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:38,410 be able to do something with it but but 2032 01:26:43,020 --> 01:26:40,810 the problem is you go out and say to a 2033 01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,030 witness well you know can you tell me 2034 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:45,520 how much of an angle the the optic 2035 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:48,250 Fitness guy was it was the size of a 2036 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:50,230 dime held at arm's length what the Air 2037 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:51,370 Force used to have 2038 01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:53,410 or was it Batman and they're just all 2039 01:26:59,220 --> 01:26:57,130 speculating and guessing well you know 2040 01:27:01,740 --> 01:26:59,230 how big is it car can you tell me I 2041 01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:01,750 decide to do the length of your car well 2042 01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,280 how big does that light that the car 2043 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:05,920 look we had to mile down the road you 2044 01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:07,930 know right it's all it's a little dot 2045 01:27:12,630 --> 01:27:11,140 you know and so now you've got problems 2046 01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:12,640 where the witnesses can't tell you oh 2047 01:27:18,540 --> 01:27:15,820 data so we got to get better data and we 2048 01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,550 need tools like you know good example is 2049 01:27:20,949 --> 01:27:19,840 if you took them if you took the 2050 01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:20,959 photograph and 2051 01:27:24,489 --> 01:27:22,550 put up a simple to diffraction grating 2052 01:27:26,949 --> 01:27:24,499 in front of it that actually split it 2053 01:27:28,660 --> 01:27:26,959 into the spectrum I have a spectrum 2054 01:27:30,129 --> 01:27:28,670 analyzer that can allow me to tell you 2055 01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:30,139 what the chemical composition of the 2056 01:27:35,649 --> 01:27:33,409 object is so now I must like we're 2057 01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:35,659 looking on stars out there into terminal 2058 01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,719 planets we're using you know spectral 2059 01:27:43,949 --> 01:27:41,360 kinds of light imagery and IR imagery 2060 01:27:46,419 --> 01:27:43,959 and so we're learning a lot about the 2061 01:27:49,449 --> 01:27:46,429 chemical composition around these things 2062 01:27:51,969 --> 01:27:49,459 so well we we have a couple cases like 2063 01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:51,979 in castellón where they take in spectral 2064 01:27:56,739 --> 01:27:54,320 photography I'm attempting to do it on 2065 01:27:59,020 --> 01:27:56,749 an area up here about an hour away from 2066 01:28:01,359 --> 01:27:59,030 me in Cloverdale where there's a similar 2067 01:28:04,899 --> 01:28:01,369 Hessel and phenomena here in Alabama and 2068 01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:04,909 then we're gonna gear to take spectral 2069 01:28:07,689 --> 01:28:05,840 photographs there 2070 01:28:08,979 --> 01:28:07,699 we got infrared cameras and a whole 2071 01:28:11,979 --> 01:28:08,989 bunch of other things we're trying to 2072 01:28:13,029 --> 01:28:11,989 apply even have drones we're using and 2073 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:13,039 we're going to be trying to do an 2074 01:28:17,140 --> 01:28:15,170 attempt to fly a drones up next to some 2075 01:28:19,089 --> 01:28:17,150 objects out there but my point is that 2076 01:28:21,219 --> 01:28:19,099 you know you can get that kind of like 2077 01:28:23,229 --> 01:28:21,229 data that you can now can give to a 2078 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:23,239 scientist well guess what I can work 2079 01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:25,010 wonders that it's going to help us solve 2080 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:26,590 things 2081 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:31,130 alright astok fantastic and I'm gonna 2082 01:28:36,429 --> 01:28:34,610 wrap things up but let me ask you before 2083 01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:36,439 is there anything that we didn't touch 2084 01:28:44,649 --> 01:28:41,380 on that you want to get out there no I 2085 01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:44,659 hope that people will you know keep them 2086 01:28:52,179 --> 01:28:47,090 up in mind and then hope that people 2087 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:52,189 will consider you know Lewis Lewis 2088 01:28:57,299 --> 01:28:54,050 trying to come out and give us a whole 2089 01:29:02,739 --> 01:28:57,309 bunch of stuff and and he needs to 2090 01:29:05,529 --> 01:29:02,749 people beat him up a lot and okay you 2091 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:05,539 know and they parse his words and all I 2092 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:08,570 have to say to you is any god I've been 2093 01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:10,130 looking for this kind of data to come 2094 01:29:14,679 --> 01:29:12,260 out for a long time and now if we don't 2095 01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,689 shut the source down so a little 2096 01:29:18,069 --> 01:29:16,400 civility and friendliness on the 2097 01:29:20,830 --> 01:29:18,079 internet would be nice from time to time 2098 01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:20,840 and I know by the way you know we need 2099 01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,030 to leverage what we've gotten away of a 2100 01:29:27,339 --> 01:29:24,800 lot of people who have an interest in 2101 01:29:29,529 --> 01:29:27,349 science and get head smart about doing 2102 01:29:32,649 --> 01:29:29,539 something in a smart way with ufology as 2103 01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:32,659 opposed to you know just all complaining 2104 01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:34,550 about this or parsing out 2105 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:37,820 words on whatever you know so yeah I 2106 01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:41,810 mean well I'm not a Louella Zonda or a 2107 01:29:46,750 --> 01:29:45,230 TTS a basher but it's a it's gotten a 2108 01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:46,760 little slow I mean he admitted himself 2109 01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:48,230 the last six months have been a little 2110 01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:50,150 bit slow like a probably yeah a little 2111 01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:51,710 bit longer than the last six months but 2112 01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:54,110 the shows coming out so I'm assuming 2113 01:30:03,250 --> 01:29:55,310 you're gonna be watching the show as 2114 01:30:05,260 --> 01:30:03,260 well I know I will be oh I know that 2115 01:30:07,420 --> 01:30:05,270 Frank you've also said the same kind of 2116 01:30:09,250 --> 01:30:07,430 thing but you know oh god this thing 2117 01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:09,260 called Project Blue Book it's gonna talk 2118 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:10,850 about you know all this wonderful stuff 2119 01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:13,370 about blue bug and then you go turn on 2120 01:30:17,050 --> 01:30:15,170 the first show you say wait a minute 2121 01:30:19,810 --> 01:30:17,060 that doesn't look like anything like 2122 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:19,820 that that case happened and I got pretty 2123 01:30:23,140 --> 01:30:21,410 excited when it buzz the football 2124 01:30:28,660 --> 01:30:23,150 stadium which did actually happen but 2125 01:30:29,950 --> 01:30:28,670 after that like you know and how many 2126 01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,960 times does that happen do you follow 2127 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:31,760 this over the years and it's like we've 2128 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:35,450 you know Emily and autopsies and we've 2129 01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:37,370 had all these disappointments and I 2130 01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:40,030 think that you know we're also you know 2131 01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:43,130 dead set well this is on History Channel 2132 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:44,030 it's gonna be another one of those 2133 01:30:48,670 --> 01:30:46,850 things I'd say keep an open mind on all 2134 01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:48,680 of them and just wait and let's see and 2135 01:30:52,810 --> 01:30:51,110 I watch the Bluebook show with a lot of 2136 01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:52,820 humor because I consider it an x-file 2137 01:30:58,420 --> 01:30:55,280 show you know it that's all it is to me 2138 01:31:00,280 --> 01:30:58,430 and it's not about accuracy I don't I 2139 01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,290 wouldn't put in the context he's doing a 2140 01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:03,040 lot of good for the apology but anyway 2141 01:31:08,590 --> 01:31:06,680 I'm hoping that and I really believe 2142 01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:08,600 that when he's got coming up will be 2143 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:11,120 really really benefit this big time and 2144 01:31:15,820 --> 01:31:13,850 I and I trust Lou and when he says that 2145 01:31:20,110 --> 01:31:15,830 so I'm gonna watch it and there be 2146 01:31:22,780 --> 01:31:20,120 excited about it and we'll I hope they 2147 01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,790 go deep on the science I think that that 2148 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:24,400 is the key 2149 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:26,810 anyway that's what I'm hoping for if 2150 01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:28,970 anything came out is conference Lulu is 2151 01:31:35,380 --> 01:31:33,440 dead set on science and how's that help 2152 01:31:38,140 --> 01:31:35,390 is in agreement with that - you wouldn't 2153 01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:38,150 have Hal at this conference if it wasn't 2154 01:31:44,140 --> 01:31:42,080 including science rich this was 2155 01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:44,150 fantastic the hour and a half just flew 2156 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:48,500 by thank you so much for doing this and 2157 01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:51,050 stay in touch let me keep us all up to 2158 01:31:56,590 --> 01:31:52,880 date on what you guys at the SCU were 2159 01:31:58,780 --> 01:31:56,600 doing and also obviously well maybe yeah 2160 01:32:01,090 --> 01:31:58,790 when the show finally comes on we'll 2161 01:32:03,250 --> 01:32:01,100 well kick around that a post-mortem on 2162 01:32:03,940 --> 01:32:03,260 that as well thank you so very much I 2163 01:32:05,950 --> 01:32:03,950 appreciate it 2164 01:32:07,630 --> 01:32:05,960 oh thank you for having me Frank and I 2165 01:32:09,700 --> 01:32:07,640 appreciate it very much my antenna 2166 01:32:11,710 --> 01:32:09,710 absolutely good night everybody I think 2167 01:32:13,930 --> 01:32:11,720 we're gonna be back on Sunday with the 2168 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:13,940 one and only Dave Scott you have a 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